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young1gun

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Found this general guide on purchasing a Canadian Canoe, good info.

Introduction

Canadian Canoeing is increasingly popular with families as it fits a number of modern criteria that discerning families have regarding such things as the environment, health and fitness and an awareness that many kids spend too much time in front of the TV today.
 
The following is some basic information for those considering purchase of a Canadian Canoe, it is only one opinion and wee would encourage people to look at many sources of info before making a purchase. 

Before you start 
The first thing to decide upon is probably your budget, a family canoe will set you back anything from a couple of hundred pounds for an old second hand model to a couple of thousand pounds plus if you want to get ultra techy, it is both pointless and depressing spending time investigating makes and models which are financially out of reach to you, & please don't be put off by the prices at top end of the market, the Coleman Journey for example is very capable for the uses most families would demand of a Canadian Canoe and you will get up to 363 Kgs worth of family or friends on the water for around £500 ....Consider capacity rather than the number of seats.... when you think of it, the natives of the sport in Canada never had seats, they simply kneel as do purists of the sport in the uk, consider that seats can simply provide a level of comfort for some of the occupants.

A make such as Old Town are very much worth a look as they tend to make different canoes for different uses, for example if weight is a consideration for you (how will I get it on my car?) there are solutions through the use of materials such as Royalex which has a high strength to weight ratio which can result in a family canoe at only 26kg  ...check out the Old Town site for some good descriptors of canoe types and uses.
Next consider the type of paddling you would envisage doing (camping trips, white water, day trips on small twisty rivers, or exploring big open lakes, sometimes solo, sometimes with friends, etc etc)  and measure that against the following rule of thumb charecteristics which will seem obvious to many but I hope will help the newcommer.

Features to consider

- A longer canoe will tend to track straighter.
- A longer canoe will go faster
- A canoe with keel will tend to track straighter.
- A shorter canoe will manoeuvre more readily (a plus in fast moving water)
- A shorter canoe will not track as well in a straight line
- A canoe with a flat bottom will have more initial stability, (will feel stable on calm water)
- A canoe with a round bottom has greater secondary stability. (this stability kicks in if you lean out as if trying to tip over the canoe)
- A wider canoe will be more stable
- A wider canoe will be slower
- A narrower canoe will be less stable
- A narrower canoe will be faster   
- A pointed bow will go faster
- A large 'rocker' (the curve along the keel line) will more manoeuvrable ie be more suited to white water and sharp turns.
- A canoe with Flare... the side walls open out towards the top, has good secondary stability
- A canoe with Tumblehome.... Side walls come in towards the top, has less secondary stability.   
- A canoe with a greater volume will tend to have a greater capacity

You will probably not be able to get the perfect match for all of the attributes you feel you may need, the best advice is to chery pick the 2 or 3 features you really must have and see what craft measure up against those features, we would always encourage people to visit us or other reputable dealers, look us up on line or give us a call to talk through options and maybe see the variations for yourself, we do (as do some other dealers) have a demo fleet and are happy to put you on the water to try out some types of canoes or enrol you on one of our 2 star BCU open canoe courses. We would always reccommend some basic instruction, though not essential it can really increase the pleasure you get from canoeing.

There will of course be some further expense relating to such things as buoyancy aids (a must!) and paddles but these can work out relatively cheaply particularly if you make use of the bargains to be found on ebay and we shall of course be happy to talk you through the options in these areas.
 
Finally we would always advise people to join the BCU (British Canoe Union) as they are the greatest single source of help and advice. These guys have information about access rights & licences, competitions, training, youth activities, local canoe clubs and much much more.

Conclusion
We paddle a Canadian as a family of 4, and our young children love it, its great to have an activity that we all do together as opposed to the all too often trend for families to go in separate directions for their leisure, the perspective you get from a river is unique, you feel you really could be anywhere in the world not to mention the wild life you are privileged to see, we'll often throw in a tent on a trip just for good measure making the whole experience a real family adventure, if you are considering taking the plunge we can only say we don't think you (or the kids) will be disappointed, you only live once so why not go for it.           

Courtesy of Jenny and Terry of www.Familyadventurestore.co.uk in Wiltshire
« Last Edit: May 14, 2009 by young1gun »
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Re: Canadian Canoe ( Short General Guide )
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2009 »

Excellent and useful information.
I'll sticky it.
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Re: Canadian Canoe ( Short General Guide )
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2009 »

Nice post, so far I have only been canoeing on the Lagan a couple of time's, I would love to do more maybe round Lough Erne and Melvin as I like to fish as well.
It would be a great way to travel and a dream of mine is to do a canoe trip in Canada or Sweden, I fonly dream's would come true.
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Re: Canadian Canoe ( Short General Guide )
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009 »

Nice post, so far I have only been canoeing on the Lagan a couple of time's, I would love to do more maybe round Lough Erne and Melvin as I like to fish as well.
It would be a great way to travel and a dream of mine is to do a canoe trip in Canada or Sweden, I fonly dream's would come true.


I canoe around the Quoile quite a bit - it's excellent. We're going on holiday to Fermanagh this summer and I'll be taking the canoe for some paddling in Lough Erne - can't wait..
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Re: Canadian Canoe ( Short General Guide )
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2009 »

It would be a great way to travel and a dream of mine is to do a canoe trip in Canada or Sweden, I fonly dream's would come true.


Been up through the canadian rockies only by bus mind you but i have seen the lakes and rivers and like yourself mate its a lifelong dream of mine to travel up through them one day by open canoe and wild camping. Its something i want to plan and do within the next couple of years
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pablo

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Re: Canadian Canoe ( Short General Guide )
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2009 »

each to their own i say , but i wouldnt be seen dead in an open canadian canoe. not after being on a sit on top kayak and seeing the greater benefits.

honestly, theres nothing more tragic than seeing new paddlers try to fight the wind in a canadian (or funny  ;D)

ps does anyone have a nordkapp rm kayak for sale? im looking one to paddle round ireland .
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2009 »

each to their own i say , but i wouldnt be seen dead in an open canadian canoe. not after being on a sit on top kayak and seeing the greater benefits.

honestly, theres nothing more tragic than seeing new paddlers try to fight the wind in a canadian (or funny  ;D)

ps does anyone have a nordkapp rm kayak for sale? im looking one to paddle round ireland .

True, they can be difficult in the wind but they're such great fun. Sometimes it's about the journey, not the destination  8)
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pablo

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2009 »

indeed mate  :D
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Re: Canadian Canoe ( Short General Guide )
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2010 »


each to their own i say , but i wouldnt be seen dead in an open canadian canoe. not after being on a sit on top kayak and seeing the greater benefits.

honestly, theres nothing more tragic than seeing new paddlers try to fight the wind in a canadian (or funny  ;D)

LOL.. that's true - but those of us who live in Canada, and know how to paddle a canoe even in the wind, quite enjoy it :) Nice thing about a canoe is the amount of gear you can take along in it. I do a lot of fly fishing, and would prefer a canoe over a kayak for that.
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Re: Canadian Canoe ( Short General Guide )
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2011 »

Excellent post... Enjoyed reading that.

Reminds me too, that I really need to up-date my progress report on my Winter Project.

I have decided to rig it for sailing whilst the renovation is going on.  Items bought and acquired so far are:


Fibreglass Mast (Sailboard Mast)
Aluminium Boom
GP14 Centreboard, which will be installed internally in a tailor made centre board well so that it can be removed when paddling.
Optimist Mail Sail
6sq mts Fibreglass matting and resin
5lts of Maroon Topcoat

I will update my post and add pics later.

 8)
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Re: Canadian Canoe ( Short General Guide )
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2011 »

captain dowser!  ;D yo ho ho and a bottle of rum! mmmmmmmmm rum  ;D seriously tho, really lookin forward to seeing how this vessel turns out!

pablo

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Re: Canadian Canoe ( Short General Guide )
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2011 »

Excellent post... Enjoyed reading that.

Reminds me too, that I really need to up-date my progress report on my Winter Project.

I have decided to rig it for sailing whilst the renovation is going on.  Items bought and acquired so far are:


Fibreglass Mast (Sailboard Mast)
Aluminium Boom
GP14 Centreboard, which will be installed internally in a tailor made centre board well so that it can be removed when paddling.
Optimist Mail Sail
6sq mts Fibreglass matting and resin
5lts of Maroon Topcoat

I will update my post and add pics later.

 8)

rigging an open canoe for sailing? LMFAO!!!  are you going to incorporate a keel or rudder as well? or just use your paddle while you control the sail at the same time....

sailing a sit on top is dodgy enough,but an open canoe on a windy day is well, interesting?

i really really hope it goes well dude. just dont take it out on open water without a vhf radio and giving the coastguard a paddle plan.
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Re: Canadian Canoe ( Short General Guide )
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2011 »

Hi Pablo, I have just recently taken up paddling and so far prefer open canoes for their more social attributes i.e. family outings and possible camping trips. A family of four, like mine, would have to purchase two tandem kayaks in order to enjoy an outing together, increasing considerably the initial cost of what is essentially a hobby.

I have no experience sailing canoes but if you have a look at the song of the paddle forum quite a few people have successfully used canoes for sailing. I appreciate that there is a fair amount of work involved in fitting them out for sailing but it seems it can be done and works quite well, if only to extend the range of day trips.

I think it is a case of horses for courses, with kayaks and canoes each providing a means for people to enjoy our wonderful and open waterways.

Regards
Willie
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pablo

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Re: Canadian Canoe ( Short General Guide )
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2011 »

well put willie.

as you say its horses for courses and for a family of four and a social outing then the canoe is probably the way to go if your on a budget. but dont forget you,ll all need PFDs (personal floatation devices) and all the other relevant safety gear , especially if you are bringing kids out on a floating clog.

having tried both modes of transport and weighed up the pros and cons of each.....the only place id have an open canoe is in my front garden filled with soil and some nice shrubs and plants.
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2011 »


rigging an open canoe for sailing? LMFAO!!!  are you going to incorporate a keel or rudder as well? or just use your paddle while you control the sail at the same time....

sailing a sit on top is dodgy enough,but an open canoe on a windy day is well, interesting?

i really really hope it goes well dude. just dont take it out on open water without a vhf radio and giving the coastguard a paddle plan.

Maybe you should sign up to this site and LYFAO at them too: http://www.ocsg.org.uk/about-ocsg/
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