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Rusty Madra

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The End of Facebook
« on: February 11, 2013 »
I've always had my suspicions that government agencies and the like could access data from social networking sites. Frankly it didn't bother me as I've nothing that would interest them apart from the odd rant and loads of pictures of Mourneman cooking stuff and pointing thoughfully into the hills!

Then I read the article below. It would appear that defence contractor Raytheon has developed this capability into a commerical product. Disturbingly the programme allegedly also has the capacity to make predictions about future behaviour and movement based on the previous data.

For me it was all too Orwellian. I'm deleting my Facebook.

Incidently NI Wild would, I imagine, be factored in to any personal profile generated by such a programme. As a forum though it's much easier to control the content and level of privacy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/10/software-tracks-social-media-defence
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Re: The End of Facebook
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013 »
If they want me, i'll be in the Mournes  ;D  (i'm more worried about my wife knowing what i've been up too than the government  8) )
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Re: The End of Facebook
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013 »
Facebake awful !
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Re: The End of Facebook
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013 »
Lol! I don't mind the government having access to my data. The scary thing is that anyone who buys the product can be deeply into your life without you even knowing.

Admittedly the market for the info is probably limited at the moment to commercial interests but in theory anyone can have a pretty detailed picture of your life, where you've been and where you're most likely to be.

Apart from most of the Mournes.... Datas pretty safe there. Where the locals ask "what is this 3G trickery ye speak of?"  ;D

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Re: The End of Facebook
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2013 »
If your not paying for something, you're not the customer, you are the product being sold.


Sadly the above is true for every single service. No exceptions.
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Re: The End of Facebook
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2013 »
Facebake is something i always knew spot lighted you life.

I never trusted Facebake and wish my GF would close hers down  :(
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Re: The End of Facebook
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2013 »
People choose to use free-online services, but as Oisin wisely says, the user is really the product. There's a part of sticking with it because 'everyone is on it so there's not much choice', but generally we do derive benefit from the functions and interactions they provide. They sell data from you to earn their billions: whether it is selling demographic data and trends to 3rd parties or directing their ads/services to users. I'm on loads of sites, my profiles are pretty open, and I use lots of cloud services like google apps. I'd be willing to pay for an ad-free, more personal service in most cases.

Apart from PPI texts to my phone, I've never been bothered by anything that may have been derived from my online presence. All that program does is collate the information that is out there. If you have locked accounts/turn off geotagging etc there will be nothing out there for it to collate.

Generally, if government etc wanted information that is not public domain they need a warrant (although some clauses under the guise of 'prevent scary terrorism' make this easier to get/circumvent). Some companies will tell you if your data has been requested. Recently the UK were trying to introduce a ruling for all ISPs and companies like google to store all your communications for 1 year so they can access it with warrant if required.
The US don't give a damn and have gone beyond this: they are building a supercomputer the size of a small town to store every bit of communications and analyze/cross-reference it. It will even break encryptions. Every phone-call and email, etc. Pretty mad. It definitely is playing on built up fear to make people willing to give up freedom/privacy for a little supposed safety. As much as I don't agree with the idea, the program Person of Interest is very entertaining.

The worst fear is that someone will hack into your data and frame you for something, which is really very Hollywood. Getting identity theft from criminals is way more of a risk than a corrupt government plan, just like getting cancer is way more probable than a 'terrorist' threatening you.
Just be sensible with the truly sensitive data and services (bank, specific personal details) and otherwise who cares you saw a sunset, ate a lasagne, are watching Top Gear, or like Rihanna. The biggest one to watch is things like status update "yay, whole family away to Spain for 2 weeks tomorrow", or GPS your regular 5 o'clock run on strava/garmin. Criminals do look for these things to know when people are out, or where they might mug you on your run/steal your bike. Luckily I don't even eat my meals at a regular time let alone anything else, and our house is always occupied so probability says I'm comfortable with what data I share.

This is a bit of a long opinion: I need to go do something here, but I'll post some links later that may be of interest to people who do care more than me. I'm an informed disinterested party  ;D
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Re: The End of Facebook
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2013 »
Facebake in my opinion is for people that are nosey ( like my gf ) but who am I to say anything. Just people perfernces
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Re: The End of Facebook
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2013 »
Quote from: Wolf_Larson on February 11, 2013
Facebake in my opinion is for people that are nosey ( like my gf ) but who am I to say anything. Just people perfernces

How to offened a group of people in one swop
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Re: The End of Facebook
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2013 »
In all honesty I think Facebook is a great social network. Yes there are down sides and it can be used wrongly (just like every other system out there), but when it is used properly, it is a great website that enables users to connect, something that is a massive trend in the web of today.

For example, I can follow Montane and see their new softshell jacket that they are releasing, before they have even posted it on their own commercial website. All because of Facebook. (Same example for any business or company)

I can organise walks, events or polls, all in an easy to use, user friendly environment. Where I can click on a picture or icon that I instantly recognise and navigate to where I want to go. It's an environment which has been designed with User Interface in mind, where in only 3 clicks I can be talking to people around the world in real time. Compare this with e-mail (which can be as equally effective when used correctly) where you get a boring interface with no much more than text, to navigate.

I think its great, not perfect, but there is a lot of work that goes into it and it shows. It won't be around forever, but then again, nothing will.

Quote from: Wolf_Larson on February 11, 2013

Facebake in my opinion is for people that are nosey ( like my gf ) but who am I to say anything. Just people perfernces

I understand where your coming from, but its no more nosey than the town gossip, just in a different digital environment.
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Re: The End of Facebook
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2013 »
Crap there was meant to be a smiley face after my last post to show I was only jesting. Sorry ;D
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Re: The End of Facebook
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2013 »
I find it good for keeping in touch - be it people you meet in far-away places, or friends who you just don't see as much as you should because life gets in the way. Seeing updates, you can interact if it is of interest or, you at least know what they have been at and it is easier to have a good conversation when you do meet. I also discover lots of new or interesting bits of news or music/video clips/TV programmes/scientific or philosophical theories and local events because people share them.

I'm sure you could use it be nosey, but I would say that is just common aspects of human nature playing out on a new platform, rather than being caused by the platform. I can understand what you mean, but it is certainly good for me: I would be a completely crazy running man hermit if it wasn't for FB  :D
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Re: The End of Facebook
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2013 »
Lol Lenny, sorry all facebake just wines me up lol

But every man and there dog does use it and the guy that sold it is up there with the rich and mighty, so fair play  ;D
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