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Eamonn

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ML Training
« on: November 21, 2011 »
Hey Everyone, I’m in the process of doing my Mountain Leader training and was wondering if we have any ML's on the forum?
If anyone else has done the training and wants to practice their skills like day/night nav,, ML rope work, steep ground get in touch with me and we can arrange days out for this. Also if anyone who maybe hasn't done the ML training but has done a navigation course and would like to head in to the hills for some practice, get in touch too.



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Re: ML Training
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2011 »
Still undecided if I'am doing the MLT or WGL,the only thing holding me back at the moment is my lack of single pitch climbing experience,so I'll probably settle with WGL this year,then MLT next year.I'am registered with mountaineering Ireland & have received my logbook.Sounds good the idea of training together,always good to skill mix,even the WGL require's the night nab now,you doing MLT with Tollymore  ?
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Re: ML Training
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2011 »
I'm not doing any of the courses (too expensive  >:( ) but i'm certainley up for learning new skills (for free  :) )  so happy to join up for any days out, also happy to pass on what i've learnt so far. Should i start up one of these logbooks just in case i do a course? What details do i need to log, i've a good memory of every Mourne trip in the last 2 years backed up by lots of photos (just counted them and thats about 70 trips  :o )
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Re: ML Training
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2011 »
The log-book is a course requirement to show evidence of good record keeping ,it includes different sections for different types of pursuits,ie personal mountain days,walking in uncultivated remote country,winter walking,international walking,single pitch climbing,the MLT course incorporates more sections,than WGL.You're more than welcome to join me on any days out Liam,everybody's got something to learn & something to teach,i'am always looking to impove my abilities,on that note of all abilities I often invite novice first time walkers along with me so that I gain experience in dealing with different groups,it's not all about getting up the hill as fast as you can,although mountain goat Russell has improved my pace by double
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Re: ML Training
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011 »
I had a bit of a google myself and found some info, doesn't seem like you need to record much on the log, i thought it would require more info on distances, pace, ascent etc. I see you can get an exemption from having to do the ML training, I've certainly covered the wild camping requirements  ;D
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Re: ML Training
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011 »
I didn't realise the Mountain Leader Training required climbing? I've never seen mention of it in any of the documentation.
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Re: ML Training
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2011 »
Just looked over the log-book again,as far as i can make out the MLT now incorporates ,personal single pitch,multi-pitch and snow and ice climbing. for WGL these are non-applicable,maybe i'am wrong.Mountain goat looked over my log-book a few months ago,he thought both course's ,WGL,MLT  where both more in depth now,as even the WGL involves Night nav,maybe someone can correct me on this,as my climbing experience is limited to a few days out and the wall at Tollymore
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Re: ML Training
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2011 »
This is defo news to me. I'm not doing the MLTA at the MLA was specifically for hills outside of winter and that was all that was involved in the training.

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The Mountain Leader (ML) Award is intended for those who wish to lead others on hill walks in the British Isles. It is ideal for teachers and youth leaders, as well as those who operate in the club environment. The purpose of the Mountain Leader Award is to promote the safe enjoyment of the hills. The scheme provides training and assessment in the technical and group management skills required by those who wish to lead groups in the mountains of Britain and Ireland, other than in winter conditions. It integrates training, personal experience and assessment in a variety of conditions in mountainous country. Since its introduction in 1964 the scheme has become recognised by Education and Library Boards, the statutory youth services and the national and voluntary youth organisations as providing technical competence in this field. Valid throughout the UK and Ireland it is a national yardstick against which standards are measured. The minimum experience required to enter the scheme is 20 logged 'quality days' in the British or Irish mountains. Training consists of three two-day courses or one five-day course, followed by a five day assessment.. The award is a pre-requisite for many higher-level mountain training schemes. BOS also administers a Mountain Leader scheme, which is equivalent to the ML provided in the UK.
http://www.mountaineering.ie/trainingandsafety/viewdetails.asp?ID=44


This is an extract from the syllabus:
http://www.mountaineering.ie/documentbank/uploads/MLbookletblue2009.pdf
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It does not provide training in rock climbing or in winter mountaineering except as is necessary to give a leader confidence in dealing with rocky terrain or coping with an emergency situation.

However, we may be talking about slightly different courses or versions of the courses. There are a number of bodies in the UK and it's the Irish/Northern Irish one I had researched.
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Re: ML Training
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2011 »
Strange that it's included in the log-book,maybe it's an extra add on course
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Re: ML Training
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2011 »
Does the log book cover more than one course? I'm only overly interested because I'd not do it if it needed full winter training or climbing as I'm not that interested in either. That said, I might look at the Walking Group Leader first as it's a much less intensive course and doesn't need the same sort of time commitment.

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Strange that it's included in the log-book,maybe it's an extra add on course
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Re: ML Training
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Re: ML Training
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2011 »
From the last section in that book.
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11. To what does 'the glorious twelfth' relate and when is it? (1)

 :D  What relevance does that question have?  Is it so that MLs aren't running about trying to put out fires on the 11th night?
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Re: ML Training
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2011 »
I've my ML (summer)...

Exempt from training due to completing a level 3
Hillwalking leadership course with the SEELB...

Exemption is a locally decided thing though... I originally applied to MLT HQ in PYB and they replied that "navigation in the mournes is a simple affair where one only has to handrail a large wall to get anywhere"

Applied to Tollymore, no problems and then I went on to do my assessment in PYB a few years ago...

Could do a bit of steep ground stuff with folks if they wanted, but alot of people get worried about it unless airily, and forget basics like good micro nav and group control/interaction... 
My assessment also featured a fair bit of 'local' flora/fauna/history knowledge...
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Re: ML Training
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2011 »
Hey the only difference between the WGL and the ML as far as i can tell is the one night camp out and the rope work. There is no single pitch climbing,multi-pitch and snow and ice climbing or winter skills on the ML, these are separate courses. WGL is low level walking and the ML is low and high level walking, both in summer conditions

I'm doing my course with Tollymore.
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Re: ML Training
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2011 »
Difference between WGL and ML are a bit of a grey shade of vague to say the least...

It's dependant on geography and personal interpretation...

My views, most N.Ireland is ok for WGL however steep uplands, such as leading through corries, gullies or along ridges that are exposed and require use of rope or stuff, I'd rather you had an ML... But then again, an ML leader shouldn't  be taking people into that terrain in the first place...
Planned use of rope is MIA, MIC, Guide territory, get your rope out on an ML walk and you've already screwed up...

Good summary here  http://www.ukclimbing.com/articles/page.php?id=1897


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