Religion

[Kayakgirl]

Yep, I have a copy of it. It is very good.. Wouldn't mind taking the pilgrimage/walk myself..

[suspectmonkey]

Kat told me about that film the other day.  When she was studying in Spain, Kat went to visit Santiago de Compostela which is home to the cathedral where it is believed St. James is buried (El Camino de Santiago translates as "Way of St. James").  I actually picked up the Way of St. James Cicerone guide when they had their sale on as would love to do the walk ever since Kat brought me home a cool t-shirt from Santiago de Compostela.  Not that I would be walking it as any kind of pilgrimage, just purely as an opportunity to explore the north of Spain.  Got the t-shirt, now just need to bag the walk

On the subject of the original post, personally I believe in a creator God and being outdoors helps me to enjoy what I believe is a beautiful and planned creation.  That said the primary reason I get outdoors, like many people, is just to escape the daily grind.  All that fresh air and freedom from distractions sure gives you time to re-boot and clear the mind.  I doubt anyone who enjoys the outdoors would disagree with the mental and physical benefits of the activity... unless of course you are being blown off the side of Slieve Binnian at the time

[RedLeader]

Don't start, bloody troublemaker   

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species

[Scribble]

Don't start, bloody troublemaker   

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species

I just deleted that link as I didnt want a debate about who's lies are truer 

As my grandad always said only believe half the lies your told

[RedLeader]

That's only because your Grandad never met me. If he had he'd have realised that actually, I'm always right
You can't really refute Darwin any more. The evidence is so thoroughly widespread it's hard to try to claim it's wrong after it being consistently backed up by solid science for 150 years. The fact that there are things we don't yet understand is no reason to assume their explanation has to be magic!

Don't start, bloody troublemaker    

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species

I just deleted that link as I didnt want a debate about who's lies are truer  

As my grandad always said only believe half the lies your told

[Scribble]

Nope your wrong my wife is always right FACT 

Darwin speaks the truth in my eyes but what other people see from theirs I have no problem with everyone has a right to believe what they feel is the truth, but some are deluded beyond help 

[LandyLiam]

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" 

[RedLeader]

Very true, probably on both points Thats why I just go evidence. I accept what can be proven beyond reasonable doubt. I don't accept things just because someone (or an iron age book) tells me I should.

Generally I'm totally tolerant of everyone, people have a right to think what they like, it's a basic human right. What I don't like is when other peoples views get forced on the population at large, especially in the education system, super especially in science classes.

Nope your wrong my wife is always right FACT 

Darwin speaks the truth in my eyes but what other people see from theirs I have no problem with everyone has a right to believe what they feel is the truth, but some are deluded beyond help 

[Oisín]

Very true, probably on both points Thats why I just go evidence. I accept what can be proven beyond reasonable doubt. I don't accept things just because someone (or an iron age book) tells me I should.

The wisdom is in the tree's, not the glass windows.

[suspectmonkey]

Whilst on the topic, there is a good debate I watched recently between Oxford Professors Richard Dawkins (author of "The God Delusion") and John Lennox.  Well worth a watch if you are interested in the subject, regardless of your own personal viewpoint.  I believe there is also coverage of a similar debate between John Lennox and Christopher Hitchens, but I haven't had a chance to watch it yet.

Linky here.

[Scribble]

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" 

Who is Kaiser Sose?

[LandyLiam]

Could be me, maybe I'm not really "lame" 

(Those of you that haven't watched the usual suspects won't have a clue what we're on about)


But on the topic of religion, I can recommend a book called The Shack, it gives some interesting insights.

[twentyclicks]

just heard of a film out now that seems to be topical to this thread

"The Way"

http://www.theway-themovie.com/#/Synopsis

"The way that can be spoken of is not the true way". - Lao Tze   

If anything, I have closest affinity to taoism and non-duality. Alan Watts audiobook series is also a bit of craic.
Be mindful of the present and all unknowns cease to matter. In the outdoors, it is easiest to attain that immediacy of the present... but to carry that freedom at all times and places is the real attainment.

"There is no spork" - Neo (lithic?) 

[DryBag]

Ha ha! I thought the moderators would have a hard time keeping this topic in check, instead it's RedLeader himself who starts laying down the absolutes of his religion 

I might disagree with your interpretation of the evidence, but at least we all enjoy the fellowship of the outdoors.

I paddled Newferry to Portglenone on Tuesday morning, and it was no more holy or religious than the train journey into work this morning.  Much more enjoyable though, so if you're ever looking for a bow paddler RedLeader, give me a shout.

[RedLeader]

I call it like I see it but I like to think inoffensively - I'm one of those evangelical atheists . You are right though, I did think this thread could have ended up in the moderators cutting room. Luckily we're all friends and generally more interested in the great outdoors than the finer points of belief

I'll always welcome a second paddler. Anyone who can help me get the beast off and on the car is always welcome. Alas, since I knackered my back last year carrying the damn thing I've been out very little. I often notice it looking all unused and sorry in the garden and wish I could get out more.

Ha ha! I thought the moderators would have a hard time keeping this topic in check, instead it's RedLeader himself who starts laying down the absolutes of his religion 

I might disagree with your interpretation of the evidence, but at least we all enjoy the fellowship of the outdoors.

I paddled Newferry to Portglenone on Tuesday morning, and it was no more holy or religious than the train journey into work this morning.  Much more enjoyable though, so if you're ever looking for a bow paddler RedLeader, give me a shout.