Northern Ireland Outdoors Forum - Hiking, camping and more
General => General Chat => Topic started by: Kayakgirl on March 27, 2012
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Liam looks like your idea has been noted..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17513588
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I had just read this and couldn't believe that someone would actually listen to Liam! Liam, use your powers for good not evil!!
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Liam the force is strong in that one.
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I like the idea of the visitors centre being revamped.. Newcastle needs more outdoor shops.
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Isn't Drinnahilly the hill in Donard Forest that the radio/tv mast sits on?
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Isn't Drinnahilly the hill in Donard Forest that the radio/tv mast sits on?
Yep, that's the one.
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Its one of these things.. "Oh I have a good idea, lets make everywhere accessibile to everyone. And we could even find a way to make money out of it."
I personally dont think everywhere should be easily accessible, be it mountains, forests or lakes. We dont have an awfully big country, so there is little enough space left where you cant see the impact of humans.
So personally I'd be against this.
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Its one of these things.. "Oh I have a good idea, lets make everywhere accessibile to everyone. And we could even find a way to make money out of it."
I personally dont think everywhere should be easily accessible, be it mountains, forests or lakes. We dont have an awfully big country, so there is little enough space left where you cant see the impact of humans.
So personally I'd be against this.
Agreed !
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first thing I did when I read that was to check the date at the top.
Maybe they meant to publish it this Sunday.
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Its one of these things.. "Oh I have a good idea, lets make everywhere accessibile to everyone. And we could even find a way to make money out of it."
I personally dont think everywhere should be easily accessible, be it mountains, forests or lakes. We dont have an awfully big country, so there is little enough space left where you cant see the impact of humans.
So personally I'd be against this.
Hang on there, Why cant we allow others tosuch place of beauty? Think about people who are disablled?
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Its one of these things.. "Oh I have a good idea, lets make everywhere accessibile to everyone. And we could even find a way to make money out of it."
I personally dont think everywhere should be easily accessible, be it mountains, forests or lakes. We dont have an awfully big country, so there is little enough space left where you cant see the impact of humans.
So personally I'd be against this.
Hang on there, Why cant we allow others tosuch place of beauty? Think about people who are disablled?
You are making it out as if I was saying "Oh wait everyone who is disabled isnt allowed to look at the mournes."
Its not something that is being took away, it hasnt been there before. What you dont have you dont miss.
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Eveyone can see the beauty, disablled people could put most of us to shame. Even old people have run me out of a football game lol.
I like beauty untouched by machines i guess.
Regrads Dave
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I think thats a bit different than building a million pound escalator up a mountain. People enter shops to buy food to eat, not to look at the views, thats the difference I see.
I never said I intentionally rejected the idea so that disabled people would miss out. I said I rejected the idea because I felt that some places should just be left as they are, no matter how many people cant get there.
Lets start make plans for a multi-billion pound space escalator to the moon, I'm missing out on the views, something needs to be done about this.
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I wouldn't have a problem with that... it's not even going above the tree-line: not as if it is going to the top of Donard or something.
Cable cars are wonderfully efficient inventions and can be set-up and removed with minimal impact on the ground, and are very quiet in operation. They're not even that intrusive.... ok, the Alps are a bit bigger than the Mournes, but there are massive cable cars all over and you hardly notice them in the landscape. Someday they could maybe even link Drinahilly to the Drinns and down into Tollymore?!
How many of us have enjoyed looking over Ben Crom reservoir or Spelga Dam? or thanked the Wall for shelter or guidance in bad weather? or the easy access of the Brandy Pad?
All man-made. Whose level of assistance is where you draw the line? Personally, I'd like the Mournes to be covered in natural forest as they were thousands of years ago, but many would object to that. Man has already abused or used the landscape; I think a little gondola system is not the worst of it. Something that gives people a different perspective can be a good thing.
Saying that, you'll not find me using it ;D
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Never did the Cairngorms any harm having the ptarmigan.
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Hang on there, Why cant we allow others tosuch place of beauty? Think about people who are disablled?
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Well I could have as easily used going to the cinema, a concert or a workplace or even a college in ballymena. By your reckoning they couldn't get in before so they won't miss a movie, band, being employed or getting educated.
I don't know enough about all the factors that are involved with the various improvements that have been discussed on here recently to get involved but your last sentence prompted me.
Are you arguing that anywhere that is currently inaccessible to some people should be made accessible?
I think open access to basic goods and services goes without saying. To try to link Oisin's views on a specific issue regarding development on a mountainside, to that of access to the places you mentioned seems to have missed the point being made.
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Never did the Cairngorms any harm having the ptarmigan.
Do you mean the funicular specifically? It replaced chairlifts that were already there and it doesn't permit access to the mountain* unless you are skiing.
*unless you are on their guided tour.
Is it really comparable to use ski resorts in Scotland as an example when talking about mountains in NI?
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Never did the Cairngorms any harm having the ptarmigan.
Do you mean the funicular specifically? It replaced chairlifts that were already there and it doesn't permit access to the mountain* unless you are skiing.
*unless you are on their guided tour.
Is it really comparable to use ski resorts in Scotland as an example when talking about mountains in NI?
The ptarmigan is not atthe top it is about 300 from the summit which is whats planned here. also yes the train did replace old chair lifts that where not always there (They had to be put up once.)
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I'd like the Mournes to be covered in natural forest as they were thousands of years ago, but many would object to that. Man has already abused or used the landscape
I would not use it.
Agreed again.
Regards Dave
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Liam looks like your idea has been noted..
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I'm not arguing that. I was pointing out that Oisin stated in response to Lenny's mention of disabled ppl that they won't miss what they dont have( I found his rather crass), well they didn't have access ( or easy access) to the things I mentioned in many cases but they sure as hell missed it.
If you actually read what I said I never mentioned disabled people not missing what they collectively dont have.
Its not something that is being took away, it hasnt been there before. What you dont have you dont miss.
I didnt say "What disabled people dont have they dont miss" did I? It was a simple phrase to reinforce the point that I dont believe it is a necessary build, and the fact that we dont have it at the minute means that we don't miss it now, do we? It was a separate statement relating to EVERYONE, no matter what colour or creed. Had I of been wanting to (which I never would) single out someone with a disability I would have included the phrase in the same paragraph, and not at the end of a comment.
I never intended to offend or insult anyone who is disabled and or has family or knows of people who are disabled. It wasnt me that brought the idea of disability into the equation, and I didnt mean for people to get so wound up about it.
A simple mis-read and not in anyway, shape or form a comment saying that we should take away all the ease of access ramps that lead into buildings and throw them away, as I feel has been made out.
Oisin.