Northern Ireland Outdoors Forum - Hiking, camping and more

There's been a bit of chat recently about our next outing and a Summit Camp seems to be a common request.

I would like to suggest Saturday 15th January, coming home Sunday 16th.

As for location, I personally have never been over Meelmore or Meelbeg so we could possibly consider these summits, setting off from Meelmore Lodge, which is handy for safe parking.

Feel free to suggest other summits and we can take a vote.  

Lenny, I see you suggested Cavehill in another thread (http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1646.new;topicseen#new).  This would be ok for a Stealth Bivvi with smaller numbers, but I think we should stick to the Mournes for this one!

Register your interest below and I look forward to hearing your summit suggestions  :)

Summit Campers so far:
Dowser
Andy1984
MikeD
Redleader
LennyJ1
Shamara
Tim
666pack
Suspectmonkey
Matthewrblack
MG1
Twentyclicks
Darren
Chuck
Fourman


Final plans are here : http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1648.msg16048#msg16048
Please read this if you are coming : http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=278

Writeups on the trip here
http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/blog/2011/01/bog-of-meelmore/
http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/blog/2011/01/slieve-meelmore-summit-cam/

I'm in. Really want to summit bivvy Meelmore, it gets my vote.

Meelbeg or Donard for me. (only as Dowser vetoed Belfast :P)

I'm in! Might get my brother along too! (slight chance i might have to work but hopefully not)

I'm not bothered about which summit although i have camped on Bearnagh so any other would get my vote!

just need to get a bivvi now!

I'm in on this one. If the weather turns really nasty at least we'd have the shelter of the col between Meelmore and Meelbeg if we're planning a summit camp on one of them

Lamagan?

Count me in, but would prefer a later start as I am on a paddling course that morning. Meelmore or Meelbeg would suit me as I haven't climbed them in years..

I'm game for Meelmore as I don't think I've been on the summit of it yet.  Might as well make the first trip up an overnighter ;)

so meelmore it is ;D

Quote from: 666_pack on January 05, 2011, 08:49:17 AM
so meelmore it is ;D

is it ???

Dont think all the votes are in yet.

What about the caves?

I'm easy mate as you know. Just lookin forward to a night in the hills.

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 05, 2011, 08:51:37 AM

Quote from: 666_pack on January 05, 2011, 08:49:17 AM
so meelmore it is ;D

is it ???

Dont think all the votes are in yet.

What about the caves?

We've been to the Caves (http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1449.0) quite recently and this one is intended to be a summit camp.  I've done a quick tot of the votes and it looks like Meelmore has taken Pole Position:

Dowser - Meelmore
Redleader - Meelmore
Lenny - Meelbeg/Donard
Tim - Meelmore/Meelbeg
666pack - Meelmore
Shamara - Meelmore/Meelbeg
Suspect Monkey - Meelmore

So the public has spoken and Meelmore Summit it is, on the 15th January 2011.  Meeting at Meelmore Lodge, times to be comfirmed.

This one should be a lot of fun.  Don't forget your fire logs!!!

:D

QuoteSo the public has spoken and Meelmore Summit it is, on the 15th January 2011.  Meeting at Meelmore Lodge, times to be comfirmed.

sounds good to me :-)

Is this going to be heading up late Saturday afternoon and back early Sunday morning? Or are you guys planning a longer walk?

Quote from: andy1984 on January 05, 2011, 11:20:37 AM

QuoteSo the public has spoken and Meelmore Summit it is, on the 15th January 2011.  Meeting at Meelmore Lodge, times to be comfirmed.

sounds good to me :-)

Is this going to be heading up late Saturday afternoon and back early Sunday morning? Or are you guys planning a longer walk?

My plan is just a quick overnighter, leaving late Saturday afternoon and back home Sunday morn.  Probably leaving from Meelmore Lodge sometime between 3 & 4pm.  Some folk who fancy doing a bit more walking usually head up a bit earlier and just rendezvous at the campsite. 

I'll potentially be on a quickie too, prob aiming to leave Meelmore late afternoon and back as soon as I can drag my hungover ass out of the bivi :D We'll just pick a spot and be on the usual radio channel for anyone walking a longer route. Plus we could possibly leave a couple of walkie talkies in the Meelmore cafe.

Quote from: Dowser on January 05, 2011, 11:34:16 AM

Quote from: andy1984 on January 05, 2011, 11:20:37 AM

QuoteSo the public has spoken and Meelmore Summit it is, on the 15th January 2011.  Meeting at Meelmore Lodge, times to be comfirmed.

sounds good to me :-)

Is this going to be heading up late Saturday afternoon and back early Sunday morning? Or are you guys planning a longer walk?

My plan is just a quick overnighter, leaving late Saturday afternoon and back home Sunday morn.  Probably leaving from Meelmore Lodge sometime between 3 & 4pm.  Some folk who fancy doing a bit more walking usually head up a bit earlier and just rendezvous at the campsite. 

I will be taking myself up. I have bad carma with someone going up Meelmore.

Sounds good to me.

Do you guys have radios then? What kind are they? are they expensive?

Quote from: andy1984 on January 05, 2011, 11:49:32 AM
Sounds good to me.

Do you guys have radios then? What kind are they? are they expensive?

These are the ones we are using: http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1320

Came in very useful for co-ordinating outside tap operation from the loft when I was trying to sort the plumbing last week :D

Quote from: Dowser on January 05, 2011, 11:51:45 AM

Quote from: andy1984 on January 05, 2011, 11:49:32 AM
Sounds good to me.

Do you guys have radios then? What kind are they? are they expensive?

These are the ones we are using: http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1320

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 05, 2011, 11:45:48 AM
I will be taking myself up. I have bad carma with someone going up Meelmore.

do tell.

Quote from: 666_pack on January 05, 2011, 12:03:56 PM

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 05, 2011, 11:45:48 AM
I will be taking myself up. I have bad carma with someone going up Meelmore.

do tell.

Apart from the fact I cant spell Karma I have had 3 attemps at Meelmore with other people and everytime I has been a fail.

Once with Jonno (my fault being a fat git)
Second time with a friend about 3 months ago (he fell over and badly hurt his ankle and had to come down)
Third I fell on it 4 weeks ago in the snow. (didn't hurt myself)

But everytime I was with other people.

call it superstision (cant spell again) but I think I will come but going up Meelmore I will go by myself when we get there.

.... i'm in too...

Quote from: MikeD on January 05, 2011, 01:03:06 PM
.... i'm in too...

Excellent!  This is starting to become a bit of a reunion... someone get on the blower to Billy Backpack, his presence is missed!

I'm in too. Andy and Jonny, if you need a lift I think it is about time I drove you guy's down.

Matthew

Quote from: matthewrblack on January 05, 2011, 01:15:43 PM
I'm in too. Andy and Jonny, if you need a lift I think it is about time I drove you guy's down.

Matthew

Nice one... I like the sound of that  ;D

Awesome, I'm still largely carless. Will be nice to travel in a bit of style :D

Quote from: matthewrblack on January 05, 2011, 01:15:43 PM
I'm in too. Andy and Jonny, if you need a lift I think it is about time I drove you guy's down.

Matthew

Just found out that I have to be in Saintfield for 11 on Sunday morning for my nephews christening, so I'll probably head out early saturday morning and have a bit of walk, then meet you's all at Meelmore, then be off at the crack of dawn in the morning. If anyone needs a lift on Saturday from Ballynahinch direction let me know, if you're up for a bit of walking that day, and Sunday if you don't mind being up early.

Quote from: Dowser on January 05, 2011, 11:34:16 AM

Quote from: andy1984 on January 05, 2011, 11:20:37 AM

QuoteSo the public has spoken and Meelmore Summit it is, on the 15th January 2011.  Meeting at Meelmore Lodge, times to be comfirmed.

sounds good to me :-)

Is this going to be heading up late Saturday afternoon and back early Sunday morning? Or are you guys planning a longer walk?

My plan is just a quick overnighter, leaving late Saturday afternoon and back home Sunday morn.  Probably leaving from Meelmore Lodge sometime between 3 & 4pm.  Some folk who fancy doing a bit more walking usually head up a bit earlier and just rendezvous at the campsite. 
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id have been well up for this but sadly no tent.
never slept overnight on the mountains.

I can lend you a tent (as long as you carry it up!)

Quote from: MikeD on January 05, 2011, 02:47:08 PM
I can lend you a tent (as long as you carry it up!)

that sounds real good thanks.
all i need now is for someone to pick me up.
im in portadown.
if anyone can help pm me please lads and ladies.
oh ive never put up a tent.

I can help you with the tent....

thanks to mike D for the use of his tent. :)
and to 666 pack for the lift, ill help with petrol costs mate. :)

i also have a spare bivvy bag if you want.

Quote from: 666_pack on January 05, 2011, 04:53:05 PM
i also have a spare bivvy bag if you want.

cheers mate.

which ever is easier to carry a tent or bivvy bag.
ill choose the one thats easier to carry.
im sure there is no real work to setting up a bivvy.
as i say thanks for the help chaps.
really appreciate it. :) :)

looking forward to camping out in the mountains for the vry first time.

Quote from: Dowser on January 05, 2011, 01:16:55 PM

Quote from: matthewrblack on January 05, 2011, 01:15:43 PM
I'm in too. Andy and Jonny, if you need a lift I think it is about time I drove you guy's down.

Matthew

Nice one... I like the sound of that  ;D

The three of us can organise it by text closer to the time


Matthew

The faint purple line in the map below is our suggested route for the Slieve Meelmore Summit camp with parking at Meelmore Lodge.

Obviously if anyone wants to do their own thing and just rendezvous at the summit then feel free to do so.

I did not reduce the image size so that quality is maintained.  If it's hanging off the edges of your browser then Right click on the image and Save it to your computer and open it in your usual image viewer.

(https://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/imgur/cZKpZ.jpg)

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I'm going the other route Dowser.

Gonna go between Meelbeg and Meelmore

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 05, 2011, 08:40:07 PM
I'm going the other route Dowser.

Gonna go between Meelbeg and Meelmore

That will be a nice walk.  I'm going to go up the route on the map posted and visit the summit of Meelbeg on Sunday morning and go down the way your coming up.  I always like doing a circuit rather than back-tracking on myself if I can...  Also, I've never been on the summit of Meelbeg so I'll be killing two birds with the one stone on the 15th & 16th.

If your walking on your own on the 15th I will leave one of my Walkie Talkies at Meelmore Lodge for you to keep in touch with us.  I'll PM you with where it will be.

It's been a while since you and I have been in the hills... We'll get a bit of craic and a catch-up round the hobo stove  :)

Quote from: Dowser on January 05, 2011, 08:48:42 PM

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 05, 2011, 08:40:07 PM
I'm going the other route Dowser.

Gonna go between Meelbeg and Meelmore

If your walking on your own on the 15th I will leave one of my Walkie Talkies at Meelmore Lodge for you to keep in touch with us.  I'll PM you with where it will be.

It's been a while since you and I have been in the hills... We'll get a bit of craic and a catch-up round the hobo stove  :)

Sounds like a plan

Guys count me in as well, I'll prob take a different route in but i'll meet you's at camp.

Quote from: MG1 on January 05, 2011, 10:46:54 PM
Guys count me in as well, I'll prob take a different route in but i'll meet you's at camp.

looks as if half the forum will be there.
will there be enough room on the summit for us all. :D

Quote from: darren on January 05, 2011, 10:58:17 PM
looks as if half the forum will be there.
will there be enough room on the summit for us all. :D

Just what I was thinking haha. Does anybody know what its like going straight from the summit of Meelmore to the carpark? I need to be away early on Sunday and that looks the quickest way, but what's the terrain like? Looks relatively easy from map, not too steep

Quote from: darren on January 05, 2011, 05:02:51 PM

Quote from: 666_pack on January 05, 2011, 04:53:05 PM
i also have a spare bivvy bag if you want.

cheers mate.

which ever is easier to carry a tent or bivvy bag.
ill choose the one thats easier to carry.
im sure there is no real work to setting up a bivvy.
as i say thanks for the help chaps.
really appreciate it. :) :)


Bivvy bag is way easier but if the weather turns nasty it could get interesting! Also what sleeping bag are you bringing? You might need both!

looking forward to camping out in the mountains for the vry first time.

QuoteBivvy bag is way easier but if the weather turns nasty it could get interesting! Also what sleeping bag are you bringing? You might need both!

;D How does a night in the bivvy compare to in a tent, for temp, wind, shelter etc?

Quote from: andy1984 on January 06, 2011, 09:14:45 AM

QuoteBivvy bag is way easier but if the weather turns nasty it could get interesting! Also what sleeping bag are you bringing? You might need both!

;D How does a night in the bivvy compare to in a tent, for temp, wind, shelter etc?

My own personal opinion would be there's very little difference.  I suppose a tent does give you more of a feeling of protection and if the weather does turn nasty you can climb in, batten down the hatches and wait it out.  If your using a good bivvi (bivouac ;)) bag, and a well anchored/positioned tarp then there really is very little difference.

I use an Army Issue bivvy bag, which I find very roomy, and so far it has protected me from all that nature has thrown at me.  There's nothing I like more than climbing into the comfort of my bivi bag on a good stormy evening and listening to the rain/sleet/hail/snow pelting down outside.  You really feel at one with the elements!!!

For this summit camp I am planning on travelling ultra light and will only be bringing my Issue bag, Sleeping Bag, 3/4 Self-Inflating Mat and no tarp.  I find that there is plenty of room in there for me and all my gear.  Provided you've not to many lumpy bits in your ruc, the ruc sitting on top of your legs actually provides an extra layer for heat retention and additional protection from the elements.

All that said, it will be sods law that my Bivvi Bag will leak like a sieve this time and I'll be knocking on somebodys tent at 3am in the morn looking for shelter  :-[

But... Don't take my word for it... Hopefully a few others will give you their thoughts too.

I'm a bivvyer at heart. I use a tent sometimes but I'm an all or nothing kinda guy either at home on the sofa infront of the TV or in a bivvy bag on a mountain :) I always take a tarp though.

Bivvy Pros
Excellent feeling of being outdoors and being able to watch the stars at night and wake up looking at the sunrise.
Less to pack up in the morning.
Once you climb into your solo tent you're isolated from the group. In a bivvy it's more communal.
Psycho killer always go for the ones in tents first.

Tent Pros
Can change clothes in a tent which is warmer and dryer.
A the wind over a bivvy draws a bit more heat away than a tent.
Plenty of room for your gear.
Comparable weight for one but lighter for 2.
Keeps bugs out.
Can be hard for some people to keep the rain out depending on how you like to lie and whether you shift around much in your sleep.

QuotePsycho killer always go for the ones in tents first.

That from experience?  ;D


Thanks for the insight, it sounds like a night in the bivvy is not alot differnet than a tent heat wise, and i suppose its easier to find a place to set up!

Quote from: andy1984 on January 06, 2011, 10:35:44 AM

QuotePsycho killer always go for the ones in tents first.

That from experience?  ;D


Thanks for the insight, it sounds like a night in the bivvy is not alot differnet than a tent heat wise, and i suppose its easier to find a place to set up!

Yeap very good point we forgot to raise... You don't have to look for a pitch for your tent.  You can usually lie were you like when you bivvy.  2ft from the Hobo stove is my positioning of choice  :)

I have had more than enough experience in both a bivi bag and a tent and I will vote for a tent every time.

I know that a tent will seperate you from the group which could be seen as a pro and con but if you want 100% protection from the elements then you have more chance with a tent than a tarp n Bivi.

There could be a hugh conversation/argument/disagreement on which is best but at the end of the day try both at least once.

Hi all,

I see we have some new faces heading for Meelmore. As ever, I'm sure it will be a corker but could everyone review our disclaimer information at the link below.
http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=278

Cheers all!

well if i go for a bivvy which is easier to pack perhaps i can change in someone elses tent for a small fee.l
say a fiver. :D

looking forward to it.
perhaps a bivvy is better in the summer when the weather is less extreme.
each to there own.
they both have good and bad points.

If you haven't bivvyed before i'd suggest a tent for this occassion, its not that far to the summit so an extra 2kg isn't going to be a big deal, however finding out that your not cut out for bivvying will be a big deal at 4am with freezing temps and a howling wind  ::)

and just to quote from the disclaimer which is full of wise advice

QuoteNot getting involved in activities or using equipment that you are not properly experienced for

make sure your sleeping bag is up to the job as well, lowest temp i've camped in was 2deg (inside the tent) and i was freezing with 2 layers below and 3 layers up top (and they were decent layers) and a 3 season sleeping bag (i think the comfort rating was -2) also had a luxury airbed too, so i obviously don't cope well with the cold  :'(

having said all that my son can go camping in a tesco £5 tent without even a sleeping bag or pillow and doesn't complain, although the drink helps  ;)

outside chance i may be able to join you later on the summit, so do let me know if you change your mind and camp at the saddle again  ;D

ive no probs when it comes to sticking the cold.
look forward to actually meeting you THIS time lenny. :D

darren,
I'll pack the extra bivvi so you can give it a blast anyway.

Right next most important point make sure there's PLENTY of booze :)

Don't see that being an issue  ::)

Quote from: 666_pack on January 06, 2011, 04:59:37 PM
darren,
I'll pack the extra bivvi so you can give it a blast anyway.

Right next most important point make sure there's PLENTY of booze :)

Well someone did run out of coke at the Christmas camp  ;D

It's a regular occurance. Absolutely necessary for the morning dry mouth before any sort of mountain attempt!

Quote from: LandyLiam on January 06, 2011, 05:08:45 PM
Well someone did run out of coke at the Christmas camp  ;D

Quote from: 666_pack on January 06, 2011, 04:59:37 PM
darren,
I'll pack the extra bivvi so you can give it a blast anyway.

Right next most important point make sure there's PLENTY of booze :)

you could roll down the mountain if your too groggy mate.
:D
oh thanks for that mate.
ill call you very soon.

Quote from: Dowser on January 06, 2011, 10:07:36 AM
My own personal opinion would be there's very little difference.  I suppose a tent does give you more of a feeling of protection and if the weather does turn nasty you can climb in, batten down the hatches and wait it out.

Have you ever actually slept in a tent Dowser?!  You're always lying out in the grass with your gear scattered around you any time I've been out :P :D

I will most likely be in a tent as I'm wanting to give one I bought last year its first outing and a proper airing on top of a mountain.  All in the name of gear testing you see ;)  Besides, I like the raking I get for taking the luxury option!

Hope there's room in there for about 8 if it lashes :)

Quote from: suspectmonkey on January 06, 2011, 09:54:23 PM

Quote from: Dowser on January 06, 2011, 10:07:36 AM
My own personal opinion would be there's very little difference.  I suppose a tent does give you more of a feeling of protection and if the weather does turn nasty you can climb in, batten down the hatches and wait it out.

Have you ever actually slept in a tent Dowser?!  You're always lying out in the grass with your gear scattered around you any time I've been out :P :D

I will most likely be in a tent as I'm wanting to give one I bought last year its first outing and a proper airing on top of a mountain.  All in the name of gear testing you see ;)  Besides, I like the raking I get for taking the luxury option!

Quote from: RedLeader on January 06, 2011, 09:56:06 PM
Hope there's room in there for about 8 if it lashes :)

Will be doing well to squeeze two into it, but for the right price I could make room ;)

maybe he was talking about 2 columns of 4  :o

be warm though  :D

this threads getting busy, nearly forgot to answer Tim's earlier question

QuoteDoes anybody know what its like going straight from the summit of Meelmore to the carpark?

you can go down in a straight line to the car park, it'll be boggy, but if you'll be in the car in 30mins you won't mind wet feet/knees

i've also gone down the spellack direction but there's a steep bit behind spellack (i.e turn left before you go over the cliff) , very doable though and less boggy, but still wet in places (and that was in the summer  ;) )

Excellent, thanks Liam. I'm hoping it'll be frozen like last Sunday so it won't be too boggy, although I never mind getting wet and muddy on the way back to the car anyway.

Ahhh..the mysterious Mount Meelmore!  This is definitely one that I can't wait to trample underfoot.  I bagged a winter bargain just the other day on Backpacking Light so will be trying it out...A Golite Jam.  Add moi to the list!

Yay, someone to keep me company on the loo run lol!

Hope there is gonna be enough room up there.

Whos taking a tent?

I am my Gelert Solo

Quote from: Shamara on January 07, 2011, 11:12:25 PM
Yay, someone to keep me company on the loo run lol!

It''ll be good to have some female company in the mountains :)

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 07, 2011, 11:14:00 PM
Hope there is gonna be enough room up there.

Whos taking a tent?

I am my Gelert Solo

Not sure what my sleeping arangments are as yet, I will prob bring the tent in the car as a backup.

Matthew

I know the Christmas season is now over, but would anyone mind if I shared my bottle of mulled wine at camp?  ;D

Quote from: Shamara on January 07, 2011, 11:24:11 PM
I know the Christmas season is now over, but would anyone mind if I shared my bottle of mulled wine at camp?  ;D

no bother sham you go right ahead.
sounds nice how much do i owe you for a sip. :D

Quote from: Shamara on January 07, 2011, 11:24:11 PM
I know the Christmas season is now over, but would anyone mind if I shared my bottle of mulled wine at camp?  ;D

You might regret saying that... I think there'll be a queue for the Mulled Wine no matter what season it is!!!  

Poor Chuck volunteered to do the Mulled Wine at the Christmas camp and he was busier than a bar man in the M-Club on New years Eve  :P

I might even bring a cheese board and a selection of cold meats..
Darren the cost will be 5 dolla!

Quote from: Shamara on January 08, 2011, 12:00:32 AM
I might even bring a cheese board and a selection of cold meats..
Darren the cost will be 5 dolla!

im not a drinker at all.
dont touch alcohol.
ill be the only one like that.
more of an eater sham.

Quote from: suspectmonkey on January 06, 2011, 09:54:23 PM
Have you ever actually slept in a tent Dowser?!

I actually bought three tents in quick succession before I realised that I was bivvyer at heart  ???

Quote from: suspectmonkey on January 06, 2011, 09:54:23 PM
You're always lying out in the grass with your gear scattered around you any time I've been out :P :D

Maybe we should have changed the Photo Competition topic to "Summit Camp"... You could have sought inspiration from Tracey Emin (http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/turnerprize/history/1999.shtm) and got a good snap of my sleeping arrangements.  ;D  

I have to admit I can be a bit untidy around camp but I promise, I do "Leave no Trace" (http://www.leavenotraceireland.org/) when I move on  ;)

Would anyone have any spare tarp I could borrow for the summit?

Quote from: Shamara on January 08, 2011, 12:23:51 AM
Would anyone have any spare tarp I could borrow for the summit?

Not a problem... I'll bring one for you with pegs an all.  Consider it done  :)

I can see you regretting that once the stampede starts  ::)

Quote from: Shamara on January 07, 2011, 11:24:11 PM
I know the Christmas season is now over, but would anyone mind if I shared my bottle of mulled wine at camp?  ;D

Tis only a small bottle lol.. How many have we got for this gathering?

Quote from: Shamara on January 08, 2011, 07:29:42 PM
Tis only a small bottle lol.. How many have we got for this gathering?

12 so far... I usually keep a running total in the initial post above (http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1648.0).

Tim - how early are you aiming to be back? 
'If' I could share a lift with you back to Ballynahinch, the 9:30 bus to Belfast would have me back in time to freshen up for work.

I can get a bus to Newcastle straight after work on Sat, and do a night hike/run to rendezvous late at the camp ~9:30/10pm. 

I'll be aiming to get back to Ballynahinch for around 9.30 so thats no problem giving you a lift.

Awesome, thanks!
Mountain withdrawal was setting in: a night/training/NI-wild/summit bivvi will be a right fix  ;D

Looks like a bit of rain through the night

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=uk7dayx2;page=5;type=free;ct=20475~Mourne%20Mountains;sess=#forecast (http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=uk7dayx2;page=5;type=free;ct=20475~Mourne%20Mountains;sess=#forecast)

Going to be a bit of wind too. Wouldn't be fun if it was easy ;)

Quote from: MG1 on January 11, 2011, 03:42:40 PM
Looks like a bit of rain through the night

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=uk7dayx2;page=5;type=free;ct=20475~Mourne%20Mountains;sess=#forecast (http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=uk7dayx2;page=5;type=free;ct=20475~Mourne%20Mountains;sess=#forecast)

glad I will be taking my tent.

looks warm aswell. 7c

At least the walls there for a bit of protection from the wind

We'll have to take it in turns in the summit hut, bagsy first go :P

Quote from: MG1 on January 11, 2011, 03:53:05 PM
At least the walls there for a bit of protection from the wind

We could rig up a few tarps round the hut and have a enclosed drinking area ;D

light rain? just think of it as low clould.

Our own beer tent. I like it.

Quote from: MG1 on January 11, 2011, 03:56:31 PM
We could rig up a few tarps round the hut and have a enclosed drinking area ;D

The weather forecast is a bit mental - is it not....

26 MPH winds, gusting to 50 MPH at 3pm on Saturday afternoon, I can feel cold ears coming on.

The worse weather the better.

Can't see it being worse than the last 2 times on Binnian so I'm not too bothered.

I'm not bothered !

It'll be fine fella's just bring enough tonic to drown out the wind. ;D

I was hoping to test my tent in some inclement weather, so I'm not too disappointed with the forecast at this stage :)

Temperatures could be heading towards double figures by the weekend as well, so could be shorts and t-shirt all the way ;D

What time is everyone heading on Saturday. May as well travel in as much of a group as possible.

Tent? Rain?  Considering the temperatures will be quite warm, I was thinking of just bivvying in my new sleeping bag.  Synthetics good in the wet?... ok, lets see.  Will bring a plastic bivi incase.

I have to travel light to cover all that ground, so will sacrifice puny shelter for food and drink  :D

QuoteThe weather forecast is a bit mental - is it not....

Been watching this thread for a bit and I'm of a similar mind. Meelmore's flat, very exposed, Combine that with the promise of rain, and stong winds and a bit of a steep climb from the Bearnagh side, could make it quite into a bit of a slog, despite the promise of mulled wine :D ...the hard core around here will have no problem with it...but if anyone's not bivvied before, you really don't want this to be the first one...bring a tent. :D As for me...I'll probably come along for the walk...then skip off like a big ginny ann to the quarry building at the top of the Happy Valley.

Quote from: Chuck on January 12, 2011, 12:16:06 AMAs for me...I'll probably come along for the walk...then skip off like a big ginny ann to the quarry building at the top of the Happy Valley.

That's actually a good spot to keep in mind as a foul weather alternative if the weather proves just too much... although I'm remaining optimistic that the forecast will improve as the week progresses!

Quote from: RedLeader on January 11, 2011, 08:03:28 PM
What time is everyone heading on Saturday. May as well travel in as much of a group as possible.

I was hoping to be at Meelmore Lodge and hitting the trail around 2pm.  What is everyone else thinking?

Where is the quarry building above Happy Valley?

Quote from: Chuck on January 12, 2011, 12:16:06 AM

QuoteThe weather forecast is a bit mental - is it not....

Been watching this thread for a bit and I'm of a similar mind. Meelmore's flat, very exposed, Combine that with the promise of rain, and stong winds and a bit of a steep climb from the Bearnagh side, could make it quite into a bit of a slog, despite the promise of mulled wine :D ...the hard core around here will have no problem with it...but if anyone's not bivvied before, you really don't want this to be the first one...bring a tent. :D As for me...I'll probably come along for the walk...then skip off like a big ginny ann to the quarry building at the top of the Happy Valley.

Sounds like the one above the happy valley car park, about half way up to the saddle, on left of the river. Sorry Chuck, did I give away your secret emergency spot :)

Not sure yet if I can stay over but hope to at least pop up for tea, leaving happy valley car park about 5ish.

There's nothing on my OS 25k. Do you have a grid ref - my interest is piqued now!

Quote from: LandyLiam on January 12, 2011, 09:24:55 AM
Sounds like the one above the happy valley car park, about half way up to the saddle, on left of the river. Sorry Chuck, did I give away your secret emergency spot :)

Not sure yet if I can stay over but hope to at least pop up for tea, leaving happy valley car park about 5ish.

Quote from: RedLeader on January 12, 2011, 09:34:44 AM
There's nothing on my OS 25k. Do you have a grid ref - my interest is piqued now!

Quote from: LandyLiam on January 12, 2011, 09:24:55 AM
Sounds like the one above the happy valley car park, about half way up to the saddle, on left of the river. Sorry Chuck, did I give away your secret emergency spot :)

Not sure yet if I can stay over but hope to at least pop up for tea, leaving happy valley car park about 5ish.

I think this is the quarry building Chuck is referring to: http://mountainviews.ie/mv/index.php?PHPSESSID=2hg1cvqnfs6biopslfb4dd2qe6&mtnindex=138&findpage=true

Scroll down to the third post by "tsunami"

Interesting, they mention J302285 but there's nothing on the map.

Quote from: Dowser on January 12, 2011, 10:35:31 AM

Quote from: RedLeader on January 12, 2011, 09:34:44 AM
There's nothing on my OS 25k. Do you have a grid ref - my interest is piqued now!

Quote from: LandyLiam on January 12, 2011, 09:24:55 AM
Sounds like the one above the happy valley car park, about half way up to the saddle, on left of the river. Sorry Chuck, did I give away your secret emergency spot :)

Not sure yet if I can stay over but hope to at least pop up for tea, leaving happy valley car park about 5ish.

I think this is the quarry building Chuck is referring to: http://mountainviews.ie/mv/index.php?PHPSESSID=2hg1cvqnfs6biopslfb4dd2qe6&mtnindex=138&findpage=true

Scroll down to the third post by "tsunami"

Quote from: RedLeader on January 11, 2011, 08:03:28 PM
What time is everyone heading on Saturday. May as well travel in as much of a group as possible.

I can't get away from Bangor until 15:00 so I will be arriving at Meelmore Lodge approx 16:00 (16:20 if I get my traditional McD's on the way down).

Hopefully arriving at Meelmore summit about 17:30.  Save me a nice 7ft x 3ft spot against the wall... Thanks  ;)

Can everyone try and bring as much fuel for the fire as they can carry.  I was gonna bring my hobo stove but if were going to have a crowd I might just bring my folding shovel instead and prepare a little fire pit which can be covered with the original layer of turf in the morning.  It would give us a bit more scope for sitting round it and hopefully protect the fire being blown away in the strong winds forecast.

Quote from: Dowser on January 12, 2011, 10:44:52 AM

Quote from: RedLeader on January 11, 2011, 08:03:28 PM
What time is everyone heading on Saturday. May as well travel in as much of a group as possible.

I can't get away from Bangor until 15:00 so I will be arriving at Meelmore Lodge approx 16:00 (16:20 if I get my traditional McD's on the way down).

Hopefully arriving at Meelmore summit about 17:30.  Save me a nice 7ft x 3ft spot against the wall... Thanks  ;)

Can everyone try and bring as much fuel for the fire as they can carry.  I was gonna bring my hobo stove but if were going to have a crowd I might just bring my folding shovel instead and prepare a little fire pit which can be covered with the original layer of turf in the morning.  It would give us a bit more scope for sitting round it and hopefully protect the fire being blown away in the strong winds forecast.

Great idea, I was going to collect some dead wood on my way up. tie it together and strap it to my pack.

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 12, 2011, 10:57:08 AM

Great idea, I was going to collect some dead wood on my way up. tie it together and strap it to my pack.

I would even suggest a fire log Lenny.  Weight to Burn time ratio is far superior to wood and so much less bulky.  Each fire log will burn for about 1hr 30mins so if everybody brought one we would have a nice fire for most of the evening.

Yep, if everyone brought a firelog we'd be absolutely laughing!

Quote from: Dowser on January 12, 2011, 11:00:30 AM

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 12, 2011, 10:57:08 AM

Great idea, I was going to collect some dead wood on my way up. tie it together and strap it to my pack.

I would even suggest a fire log Lenny.  Weight to Burn time ratio is far superior to wood and so much less bulky.  Each fire log will burn for about 1hr 30mins so if everybody brought one we would have a nice fire for most of the evening.

This is gonna be a great test for my new rab storm bivvy. I'll probably be leaving meelmore lodge early in the morning to get a bit of a walk in before making my way to the camping spot, although I'm planning to do the mourne wall on Friday so I may not be fit for much by Saturday. I've a friend who wants to come along for the summit camp, hasn't been on the forum yet as he doesn't want it to distract him while he has exams, but he's finished on Thursday so he'll probably pop on and say hello before Saturday.

I'll see what I can do about bringing a firelog up

Quote from: Dowser on January 12, 2011, 11:00:30 AM

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 12, 2011, 10:57:08 AM

Great idea, I was going to collect some dead wood on my way up. tie it together and strap it to my pack.

I would even suggest a fire log Lenny.  Weight to Burn time ratio is far superior to wood and so much less bulky.  Each fire log will burn for about 1hr 30mins so if everybody brought one we would have a nice fire for most of the evening.

fair point - but wood is free & fire logs arn't

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 12, 2011, 12:03:54 PM

Quote from: Dowser on January 12, 2011, 11:00:30 AM

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 12, 2011, 10:57:08 AM

Great idea, I was going to collect some dead wood on my way up. tie it together and strap it to my pack.

I would even suggest a fire log Lenny.  Weight to Burn time ratio is far superior to wood and so much less bulky.  Each fire log will burn for about 1hr 30mins so if everybody brought one we would have a nice fire for most of the evening.

fair point - but wood is free & fire logs arn't

Best fire log available, and I've tested a few, is from B&M Bargains for 99p

You wouldn't want a 3kg bundle of wood ruining your Meelmore Summit attempt... again  ;)  You'd end up having bad Karma with trees too!!!

Quote from: Tim on January 12, 2011, 11:50:43 AM
This is gonna be a great test for my new rab storm bivvy. I'll probably be leaving meelmore lodge early in the morning to get a bit of a walk in before making my way to the camping spot, although I'm planning to do the mourne wall on Friday so I may not be fit for much by Saturday. I've a friend who wants to come along for the summit camp, hasn't been on the forum yet as he doesn't want it to distract him while he has exams, but he's finished on Thursday so he'll probably pop on and say hello before Saturday.

I'll see what I can do about bringing a firelog up

your pickin a good time off the year for the mourne wall mate. The area from Silent valley to Slieve loughshanna will be really really boggy! Happy trails ;)

Quote from: Dowser on January 12, 2011, 12:21:17 PM

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 12, 2011, 12:03:54 PM

Quote from: Dowser on January 12, 2011, 11:00:30 AM

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 12, 2011, 10:57:08 AM

Great idea, I was going to collect some dead wood on my way up. tie it together and strap it to my pack.

I would even suggest a fire log Lenny.  Weight to Burn time ratio is far superior to wood and so much less bulky.  Each fire log will burn for about 1hr 30mins so if everybody brought one we would have a nice fire for most of the evening.

fair point - but wood is free & fire logs arn't

Best fire log available, and I've tested a few, is from B&M Bargains for 99p

You wouldn't want a 3kg bundle of wood ruining your Meelmore Summit attempt... again  ;)  You'd end up having bad Karma with trees too!!!

:D

Quote from: Dowser on January 12, 2011, 12:21:17 PM

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 12, 2011, 12:03:54 PM

Quote from: Dowser on January 12, 2011, 11:00:30 AM

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 12, 2011, 10:57:08 AM

Great idea, I was going to collect some dead wood on my way up. tie it together and strap it to my pack.

I would even suggest a fire log Lenny.  Weight to Burn time ratio is far superior to wood and so much less bulky.  Each fire log will burn for about 1hr 30mins so if everybody brought one we would have a nice fire for most of the evening.

fair point - but wood is free & fire logs arn't

Best fire log available, and I've tested a few, is from B&M Bargains for 99p

You wouldn't want a 3kg bundle of wood ruining your Meelmore Summit attempt... again  ;)  You'd end up having bad Karma with trees too!!!

I will see what I can do. I don't wanna fall out with trees. People i don't mind  :P but not trees  :'(

Quote from: 666_pack on January 12, 2011, 12:23:41 PM
Your pickin a good time off the year for the mourne wall mate. The area from Silent valley to Slieve loughshanna will be really really boggy! Happy trails ;)

Haha aw well. Bog i can take, my two previous attempts were in 25degree heat which didn't go well at all.

Right, the nazi side of me coming out here..... but I say, if you don't bring a firelog, don't expect to sit by the fire!

Its not fair that some people bring them and some dont - thought everyone has their reasons - not wanting to carry it being the main one!

Comments plz !

Quote from: MikeD on January 12, 2011, 01:25:59 PM
Right, the nazi side of me coming out here..... but I say, if you don't bring a firelog, don't expect to sit by the fire!

Its not fair that some people bring them and some dont - thought everyone has their reasons - not wanting to carry it being the main one!

Comments plz !

I am never to be someone who would leave someone in the cold.

Quote from: MikeD on January 12, 2011, 01:25:59 PM
Right, the nazi side of me coming out here..... but I say, if you don't bring a firelog, don't expect to sit by the fire!

Its not fair that some people bring them and some dont - thought everyone has their reasons - not wanting to carry it being the main one!

Comments plz !

I can see you're point here, but some people may not have the space in their rucksack or the time to get a firelog on the way up, or not be able to carry a firelog up a mountain with camping gear so I would have no problem letting someone sit round my firelog. Its not like they'll be sucking all the heat out for themselves or anything.

Quote from: MikeD on January 12, 2011, 01:25:59 PM
Right, the nazi side of me coming out here..... but I say, if you don't bring a firelog, don't expect to sit by the fire!

Its not fair that some people bring them and some dont - thought everyone has their reasons - not wanting to carry it being the main one!

Comments plz !

Nothing like the Milk of human kindness Mike. Have you never had to borrow a bit of kit or even knowledge of a fellow camper on the hill?

Yes, well, I'm going to come out of this looking bad.  

We can all say "i'd never leave someone cold or whatever", but if no one brought any fire logs - then everyone would be cold.  

So even if everyone brought - half a fire log (buy a whole one - cut it in two in the car park - place in a black bag and put in your rucksack) - we'd have a much more fun summit camp - and I wouldn't feel jaded about people who didn't bring any!

I believe in human kindness, but I also believe in sharing the load.

If you can't get a fire log then bring a bottle of wine for the group :)

Or if you bring neither you have to cook breakfast for everyone  ;D

Quote from: LandyLiam on January 12, 2011, 01:47:14 PM
If you can't get a fire log then bring a bottle of wine for the group :)

Or if you bring neither you have to cook breakfast for everyone  ;D

lol, and would have to be a ulster fry as well.

Mike has a fair point and everyone doing their bit is one thing but ending up at 700m with 14 firelogs is probably a bit of overkill. If everyone who feels they could bring one did so I think we'd be okay.

But 14 bottles of wine would be most welcome :)

Liam has it sussed ;D

I think Mike has a point in that it does tend to be the same people who end up bringing the firelogs.  We all enjoy a light pack, but the camps definitely wouldn't be the same without a bit of a fire to sit around.  If we all went lightweight we would end up congregated around a couple of glow sticks!

As RedLeader has pointed out, 14 firelogs may be a tad many, but as Mike says we could split a few in half at the car park to share the load between us.

First timers are exempt ;)

Mind you Mike, don't be bringing one of those grate packs with you again!  Can't believe you lugged a bag of coal to Lough Shannagh :P

Quote from: suspectmonkey on January 12, 2011, 02:09:29 PM
Liam has it sussed ;D

I think Mike has a point in that it does tend to be the same people who end up bringing the firelogs.  We all enjoy a light pack, but the camps definitely wouldn't be the same without a bit of a fire to sit around.  If we all went lightweight we would end up congregated around a couple of glow sticks!

As RedLeader has pointed out, 14 firelogs may be a tad many, but as Mike says we could split a few in half at the car park to share the load between us.

First timers are exempt ;)

Mind you Mike, don't be bringing one of those grate packs with you again!  Can't believe you lugged a bag of coal to Lough Shannagh :P

Yes Suspect, you can see where I'm coming from then!  I have bad memories of lugging that bag of coal around (and trying to 'control' the dog) and being out of shape !

Quote from: MikeD on January 12, 2011, 02:14:55 PMYes Suspect, you can see where I'm coming from then!  I have bad memories of lugging that bag of coal around (and trying to 'control' the dog) and being out of shape !

I think you need counselling after that trip ;)  In fairness that bag of coal sure gave off a good heat!

I reckon everybody should aim to bring a whole fire log but nobody will be frowned upon if they don't.  Everybody has different intentions for this trip.  Some are planning a hike before and might not be able to carry a full fire log 15 miles, some are heading straight up and some are more able than others to carry more weight.  Poor Twentyclicks is running up in the dark with only a synthetic sleeping bag.  He will be more than welcome to huddle round my firelog when he gets there and I'll even have a drink waiting for him too!!! 

Everybody knows that the more supplies and things we have, the more pleasant it's gonna be. 

14 Firelogs would be awesome.  Burnt two at a time we would have a fire comparable to a Donard Wood camp but, and it's a big BUT, if you personally feel that you are only able to carry a 1/2 log or even a 1/4 log that is absolutely fine.  All contributions will be welcome.

Here's to a great evening  ;D

I don't think theres any reason why every one can't carry either a fire log, half a fire log or a few sticks.

Its not like your expected to carry logs from Donard wood.

Final plan...

Matt, Suspectmonkey, Kat, Me, Shamara, Fourman and Darren (to date) are meeting at Meelmore Lodge at 1400. Sundown is at 1620pm ish so this gives us enough time for a leisurely plod to the summit. Anyone who wants to come with us make yourself known either by post or PM, allcomers welcome.

Anyone not able to make it for 2pm or who wants to take an alternative route just meet at the summit whenever you like. Our planned route is below, we'll have radios (http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1320) on channel 6 for anyone that has one, I have a spare if someone can get it from me.

Dowser will probably be leaving Meelmore Lodge at around 1630, you can PM him if you're interested, he'll have a radio also.

Anyone who wants my mobile number PM me (although no guarantees it will work on the summit). Everyone should be sure they have their plans logged with someone responsible who isn't going to be there - once we're on the summit in the dark we wont be coming down to look for people who may or may not have actually come (unless they're potentially carrying copious amounts of booze or bacon)!

In the evening once pitched we'll probably have a night hike in a Meelbeg / Slieveloughshannagh / Doan direction but we'll organise that at the time depending on the conditions.

Everyone should also be aware that this could well be a proper wet and windy one. Personally I'm not bothered by it, lets you know you're alive and on the top of a mountain but you'll want to be prepared as the Scouts say.

Remember to tell us if you want to come with the 2pm group, don't just assume we'll know

As ever, review the NI-Wild Terms/Disclaimer here : http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=278

I'm more than likely going to tackle the yellow route on the map below and, depending on weather conditions, maybe visit Meelbeg summit before summiting Meelmore.

As Redleader said above, PM me if you are interested in a night hike up... I will be setting off from Meelmore Lodge at 16:30.

(https://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/imgur/4d4Wh.png)

Im also going up the yellow route but the other side of the river.

What time are you heading up at?

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 12, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Im also going up the yellow route but the other side of the river.

well id like to do both the 2pm walk and the night hike depending on the weather.

its really a matter of who is bringing me can get me to meelmore lodge by 2pm.

i want to do as much walking as is possible.

anyone wants to contact me pm me please.
if u need my phone number ill give it to you.
if im logged off  few other members have it and they can give it out to anyone who needs it.
cheers darren.
i do appreciate all the help everyone.

Quote from: RedLeader on January 12, 2011, 03:45:58 PM
What time are you heading up at?

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 12, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Im also going up the yellow route but the other side of the river.

about half 3

pm'd u mike d.

At least Meelmore has plenty of walls on it, so shelter should be available somewhere.  If you do decide to change the camp location, and someone has signal, just send me a wee message. Redleader and MikeD have my number.

There are a few routes I might take so may not notice the lights and cheer if visibility is bad and the wind is up; it'll save me looking for you all  :)

What time do you think you'll be up at?

Quote from: twentyclicks on January 12, 2011, 04:47:24 PM
At least Meelmore has plenty of walls on it, so shelter should be available somewhere.  If you do decide to change the camp location, and someone has signal, just send me a wee message. Redleader and MikeD have my number.

There are a few routes I might take so may not notice the lights and cheer if visibility is bad and the wind is up; it'll save me looking for you all  :)

9:30 - 10pm.  I get to Newcastle at 7:20 so you will have picked a spot by then and I'll know before setting off. 
If the weather is really crap I'll go through Tollymore to Trassey, but if it's not too bad I'll go over Commedagh to Hare's Gap: if it's really nice and I feel like it I'll hit Bernagh too and flash you all from the top  :o

Quote from: RedLeader on January 12, 2011, 04:50:23 PM
What time do you think you'll be up at?

Quote from: twentyclicks on January 12, 2011, 04:47:24 PM
At least Meelmore has plenty of walls on it, so shelter should be available somewhere.  If you do decide to change the camp location, and someone has signal, just send me a wee message. Redleader and MikeD have my number.

There are a few routes I might take so may not notice the lights and cheer if visibility is bad and the wind is up; it'll save me looking for you all  :)

Quote from: RedLeader on January 12, 2011, 03:13:32 PM
Final plan...


1Matt, Suspectmonkey, Kat, Me and Shamara (to date) are meeting at Meelmore Lodge at 1400. Sundown is at 1620pm ish so this gives us enough time for a leisurely plod to the summit. Anyone who wants to come with us make yourself known either by post or PM, allcomers welcome.

2Anyone who wants my mobile number PM me (although no guarantees it will work on the summit).

3Everyone should also be aware that this could well be a proper wet and windy one. Personally I'm not bothered by it, lets you know you're alive and on the top of a mountain but you'll want to be prepared as the Scouts say.

1 I am driving down to Newcastle with a stop to get RedLeader in Belfast. If anyone is stuck for a lift, I do not mind as long as it's reasonably on the way and your feet are clean! (car OCD)

2 From the last time I was on Meelmore I had great reception and  full internet access so if stuck phone or e mail me 07815098140 / [email protected]

3 I am tenting it up  ;D


Matthew

.....ffs.....am interested in hitting the hills, though always the dates/days don't suit me....interesting debate on the logs....to add too...i would carry 1....so i fitted in ...and quite possibly carry a further .....so that no-one would be made to feel out of place...

Don't be worrying about fitting in, I had the same reservations about a night in the hills with people I did not know at first but I can honestly say I was made thoroughly welcome by everyone and had a great time.

The fire log debate was interesting, not that I have ever regularly brought them. From my point of view if 1-2 kg of any weight stops you climbing a hill it is a sad day, yes we are all striving for a light pack to make the experience more enjoyable. I am in no way having a go at people for not wanting to bring extra weight / group kit / firelogs and can fully understand that 1-2 kg's could make the trip un enjoyable for someone and I think most would agree that is the last thing anyone would want.  

Matthew

matthew its fourman dowsers brother, i might head down with u guys if your still offering a lift. i ve got ur mobile number so will give u a call on friday if that suits, cheers Stephen.

No bother at all buddy.

Matthew

Quote from: RedLeader on January 12, 2011, 03:13:32 PM
Final plan...

Matt, Suspectmonkey, Kat, Me and Shamara (to date) are meeting at Meelmore Lodge at 1400. Sundown is at 1620pm ish so this gives us enough time for a leisurely plod to the summit. Anyone who wants to come with us make yourself known either by post or PM, allcomers welcome.

Anyone not able to make it for 2pm or who wants to take an alternative route just meet at the summit whenever you like. Our planned route is below, we'll have radios (http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1320) on channel 6 for anyone that has one, I have a spare if someone can get it from me.

Dowser will probably be leaving Meelmore Lodge at around 1630, you can PM him if you're interested, he'll have a radio also.

Anyone who wants my mobile number PM me (although no guarantees it will work on the summit). Everyone should be sure they have their plans logged with someone responsible who isn't going to be there - once we're on the summit in the dark we wont be coming down to look for people who may or may not have actually come (unless they're potentially carrying copious amounts of booze or bacon)!

In the evening once pitched we'll probably have a night hike in a Meelbeg / Slieveloughshannagh / Doan direction but we'll organise that at the time depending on the conditions.

Everyone should also be aware that this could well be a proper wet and windy one. Personally I'm not bothered by it, lets you know you're alive and on the top of a mountain but you'll want to be prepared as the Scouts say.

Remember to tell us if you want to come with the 2pm group, don't just assume we'll know

As ever, review the NI-Wild Terms/Disclaimer here : http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=278

hi mate ill be there for 2pm.
im getting a lift over from portadown from a local member.
so put me down on the list too please RL.

Done, see you there!

Quote from: darren on January 13, 2011, 12:11:03 AM

Quote from: RedLeader on January 12, 2011, 03:13:32 PM
Final plan...

Matt, Suspectmonkey, Kat, Me and Shamara (to date) are meeting at Meelmore Lodge at 1400. Sundown is at 1620pm ish so this gives us enough time for a leisurely plod to the summit. Anyone who wants to come with us make yourself known either by post or PM, allcomers welcome.

Anyone not able to make it for 2pm or who wants to take an alternative route just meet at the summit whenever you like. Our planned route is below, we'll have radios (http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1320) on channel 6 for anyone that has one, I have a spare if someone can get it from me.

Dowser will probably be leaving Meelmore Lodge at around 1630, you can PM him if you're interested, he'll have a radio also.

Anyone who wants my mobile number PM me (although no guarantees it will work on the summit). Everyone should be sure they have their plans logged with someone responsible who isn't going to be there - once we're on the summit in the dark we wont be coming down to look for people who may or may not have actually come (unless they're potentially carrying copious amounts of booze or bacon)!

In the evening once pitched we'll probably have a night hike in a Meelbeg / Slieveloughshannagh / Doan direction but we'll organise that at the time depending on the conditions.

Everyone should also be aware that this could well be a proper wet and windy one. Personally I'm not bothered by it, lets you know you're alive and on the top of a mountain but you'll want to be prepared as the Scouts say.

Remember to tell us if you want to come with the 2pm group, don't just assume we'll know

As ever, review the NI-Wild Terms/Disclaimer here : http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=278

hi mate ill be there for 2pm.
im getting a lift over from portadown from a local member.
so put me down on the list too please RL.

The weather doesn't seem to be getting any better

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=uk7dayx2;page=4;type=free;ct=20475~Mourne%20Mountains;sess=#forecast (http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=uk7dayx2;page=4;type=free;ct=20475~Mourne%20Mountains;sess=#forecast)

Believe it or not the BBC weather forecast appears to have changed from Heavy Rain to Light Rain... woohoo :D

Looking at a few different weather websites there could be heavy showers Saturday afternoon that will clear away leaving some scattered showers or light rain overnight.  Which I suppose is pretty normal for the Mournes!  Looks like it will definitely be a windy one though, with the wind dying down overnight going into Sunday morning.  Temperatures are pretty high though!

Quote from: suspectmonkey on January 13, 2011, 11:57:09 AM
Believe it or not the BBC weather forecast appears to have changed from Heavy Rain to Light Rain... woohoo :D

Looking at a few different weather websites there could be heavy showers Saturday afternoon that will clear away leaving some scattered showers or light rain overnight.  Which I suppose is pretty normal for the Mournes!  Looks like it will definitely be a windy one though, with the wind dying down overnight going into Sunday morning.  Temperatures are pretty high though!

You should get Kat a pair of these... She'd be sorted for any weather  :o

(https://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/imgur/0hB3o.jpg)

Quote from: suspectmonkey on January 13, 2011, 11:57:09 AM
Believe it or not the BBC weather forecast appears to have changed from Heavy Rain to Light Rain... woohoo :D

Looking at a few different weather websites there could be heavy showers Saturday afternoon that will clear away leaving some scattered showers or light rain overnight.  Which I suppose is pretty normal for the Mournes!  Looks like it will definitely be a windy one though, with the wind dying down overnight going into Sunday morning.  Temperatures are pretty high though!

supposed to be mild over the weekend.
at least we wont freeze to death.

thing is weather in the mountains is so changeable.
ive had experience of it.
every time ive been up bearnagh its always been cloudy.
you say its now light rain.
hopefully by saturday its just a very odd light shower.
you expect rain at this time of the year.

Quote from: Dowser on January 13, 2011, 11:59:40 AM

Quote from: suspectmonkey on January 13, 2011, 11:57:09 AM
Believe it or not the BBC weather forecast appears to have changed from Heavy Rain to Light Rain... woohoo :D

Looking at a few different weather websites there could be heavy showers Saturday afternoon that will clear away leaving some scattered showers or light rain overnight.  Which I suppose is pretty normal for the Mournes!  Looks like it will definitely be a windy one though, with the wind dying down overnight going into Sunday morning.  Temperatures are pretty high though!

You should get Kat a pair of these... She'd be sorted for any weather  :o

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I have never seen anything so hideous!!  :o

hmm, plenty of grip for the downhill slopes  :D


here's a wee pic of meelmore summit

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(sorry if i spoilt for the surprise for anyone!)

Plenty of space & plenty of sheep poo along the flat bits by the wall which is why i parked a wee bit out.
The "lodge" at the end smells of wee so emergency use only  ;)

but with an L shaped wall you should be able to get protection from most wind directions but you'll really be wanting a westerly (forecast is for a southwesterly)


p.s. any chance people could stop quoting whole posts, its a real bugger to read them on my phone   >:( :'(   :D

Quote from: LandyLiam on January 13, 2011, 09:06:37 PM
hmm, plenty of grip for the downhill slopes  :D


here's a wee pic of meelmore summit

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(sorry if i spoilt for the surprise for anyone!)

Plenty of space & plenty of sheep poo along the flat bits by the wall which is why i parked a wee bit out.
The "lodge" at the end smells of wee so emergency use only  ;)

but with an L shaped wall you should be able to get protection from most wind directions but you'll really be wanting a westerly (forecast is for a southwesterly)


p.s. any chance people could stop quoting whole posts, its a real bugger to read them on my phone   >:( :'(   :D

sorry about that ;)

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The met office have issued the following weather warning;

"Heavy rain, accompanied by strong winds or gales, is expected on Saturday with 25 to 40 mm likely, and with over 60 mm possible over high ground of western Scotland, Northern Ireland, Cumbria and north and west Wales. With ground saturated in places, there is a continuing risk of localised flooding."

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_warnings.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_warnings.html)

This is gonna be an interesting night  ;D

Definitely going to be windy and wet but there's no actual weather warning for NI. Good times :)

There may be localised flooding downhill from the latrine area depending on how much is drunk on the night  ;D

Well, for rehydration purposes of course...

Quote from: RedLeader on January 14, 2011, 09:09:08 AM
Definitely going to be windy and wet but there's no actual weather warning for NI. Good times :)

thats just going to be in some peoples pants.

Do you think there is any hope of trying to create a windbreak with an extra 3 metre x 3 metre tarp - we'd need two really strong poles (prob not walking poles) to hold it up ?

Not sure how much it would help on a summit. When we were on Binnian the wind just blew in circles, didn't matter what direction stuff faced it still was wrong direction for the wind.

Quote from: MikeD on January 14, 2011, 01:55:03 PM
Do you think there is any hope of trying to create a windbreak with an extra 3 metre x 3 metre tarp - we'd need two really strong poles (prob not walking poles) to hold it up ?

Quote from: MikeD on January 14, 2011, 01:55:03 PM
Do you think there is any hope of trying to create a windbreak with an extra 3 metre x 3 metre tarp - we'd need two really strong poles (prob not walking poles) to hold it up ?

good idea for people in bivi bags, I just took a walk along the lagan on lunch and almost got blown over twice.

Re. Mournes weather forecasts have you all seen this website?

http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/mountain-forecast.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&site=UKMOOL%3BMourne+Mountains&fday=3&fhour=0 (http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/mountain-forecast.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&site=UKMOOL%3BMourne+Mountains&fday=3&fhour=0)

Not sure how accurate/useful it is compared to the TV forecasts but I usually check it before going up the Mournes.

(http://www.netweather.tv/gfsimages2/gfs.20110114/06/39/ukprec.png)

only light rain ;D

Shame, there's nothing like green rain to give the gear a testing :D

Quote from: RedLeader on January 14, 2011, 02:19:45 PM
Shame, there's nothing like green rain to give the gear a testing :D

You bad boy, no no no. not green we want Yellow

Don't think I've done yellow but me and Dowser did a classic in green rain halloween 09. At 11pm we were sitting in baselayers round the fire having a scotch, by 1am it was chucking it down and by 9am the Glen River was running through the forest. We had to wade up to our ankes in parts - ahh, good times!

This was the path back down through the forest:
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Just goes to show, the Mournes can be wild in the rain.

Anyone who fancies a bit of nostalgia the writeup is here:
http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=646.0

Quote from: LennyJ1 on January 14, 2011, 02:23:32 PM

Quote from: RedLeader on January 14, 2011, 02:19:45 PM
Shame, there's nothing like green rain to give the gear a testing :D

You bad boy, no no no. not green we want Yellow

Quote from: MikeD on January 14, 2011, 01:55:03 PM
Do you think there is any hope of trying to create a windbreak with an extra 3 metre x 3 metre tarp - we'd need two really strong poles (prob not walking poles) to hold it up ?

Lash it to the wall, no poles needed...erm...ahh..naw, never mind...(judging by the state of the wall) someone's already tried that  ;D

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Strange that the forecast has it soo nasty, got clear skies and no wind here in Annahilt at the moment....

Chuck, if we lash one end to the wall, how would we secure the other end?  We'd want to keep the height of the tarp.......

I hate lying flat, so will probably find one of those wee hollows to curl in, or else prop against the wall.
Ear plugs to calm the gale and it will be pleasant enough.

Chuck - very good  :D

Good luck for tonight weather looking nice and blustery :) , looking forward till write up and pics

Enjoy lucky sods

Andy

Quote from: MikeD on January 14, 2011, 07:00:33 PM
Chuck, if we lash one end to the wall, how would we secure the other end?  We'd want to keep the height of the tarp.......

Lash it top and bottom flat against the wall....creates a massive wind break....possibly secured on the upwind side of the wall. Put one on either side of the summit building and one of these at the entrance:

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...but realisticly I think the wind's just going to be too much for any structure to survive..

Quote from: Chuck on January 15, 2011, 11:30:40 AM
...but realisticly I think the wind's just going to be too much for any structure to survive..

I was thinking the same. The wind is ridiculously strong blowing round my house at the minute, so I can't imagine what it's going to be like on the summit. I wouldn't risk a tarp in these conditions

latest forecast  :o

QuoteForecast for The Mournes for Saturday

Cloudy with outbreaks of rain, although a drier interlude likely early afternoon. Gale or severe gale force southwesterly summit winds.

this is going to be one wild night

Quote from: LandyLiam on January 15, 2011, 01:59:32 PM
latest forecast  :o

QuoteForecast for The Mournes for Saturday

Cloudy with outbreaks of rain, although a drier interlude likely early afternoon. Gale or severe gale force southwesterly summit winds.

Excellent... I've been looking forward to a trip like this for ages!!! As long as I can get my Haggis and Tatties cooked I'll be happy  ;D ;D ;D

i'm bringing sandwiches for dinner  ;D  looking forward to the hike up in these conditions, glad i'm not camping though  :P

Just home from this now. Unfortunately had to scrap the camping idea as my tentpole broke on the tent my friend was borrowing. Plus all his gear got soaked on the way up and he was intent on heading back down and getting a lift but I couldn't let him go on his own. Still got a fantastic walk out of it, headed straight from Meelmore lodge onto the face of Meelmore, just to the side of Spellack and got a nice way boulder up a stream. Got to the top and realised we were barely halfway up, although it was a pretty gentle slope from there. Conditions were crazy, with the headtorch on I could see the ground, but if I looked up the beam bounced back of the mist/cloud/rain. Made it to the top and was surprised by how many people came. Started pitching the tent for Daniel when the pole snapped and he started to get a bit miffed by the weather, so we ended up heading down the valley between Meelmore and Meelbeg, which was a very nice walk apart from the odd boggy patch. Wind really picked up on the way down, so best of luck to everyone that's still up there.

Was very rough up there, whoever has stayed is a brave man. I had couple of hours to spare so I dropped Lenny back home. I found it very windy coming down as well, couple of gusts did manage to blow me over, found chucks quarry house as well, checked inside in case he was there but it was empty. If I get up early tomorrow morning and its dry then I might pop up for breakfast!


Edit: didn't wake up in time :'( at least this morning looks nice and dry for them, still just as windy though

Quote from: LandyLiam on January 15, 2011, 11:59:11 PM
Was very rough up there, whoever has stayed is a brave (reckless) man.

Sure the weather was so nice that Dowser walked up in his t shirt !!!

haha fair play to anyone who is camping up there tonight, it must be wild!! respect  ;D

some pics

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Lenny doing some warmups? not sure what dowser is doing naked behind his car  :o


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small mountain, or far away mountain?


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MikeD


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Dowser topping up with water


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A very wet t shirt, at least he's wearing one


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Dowser gets the message that summit camp has been abandoned and to heading for the saddle now


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looks so peaceful, should have taken a video of this instead then you would have seen the wind and the rain

Great night, real struggle battling against the weather getting up melmore.

Feet totally soaked until bedtime!

Down jacket soaked! Red leader let me sleep in his tarp as mine ripped !

Great campfire and music, cigars and a few drinks.

Was really great to experience such terrible weather!

Though my hands were pure white in the morning and totally numb!!

I will never tarp in the mournest again, its just too windy !

Awesome trip guys... I'm soooooooo glad I gave strict instructions not to wake me... I got the lie in that I've been dreaming of and it was nice and sunny whilst I was packing away my kit.  Who's the joker that left a full fire log behind..?  Poor Chuck was going to have to eat it or had to carry it back down the hill to abide by the "Leave no Trace" rules.  He did decide to carry it down the hill because he'd already had a good breakfast  :D

I woke up totally dry, from head to toe, which was surprising since it was like standing under a Waterfall round the campfire for most of the evening.  I was also full of energy and ready to tackle the two Summits, Meelmore and Meelbeg.  I was pleasantly surprised to discovered Chuck had stayed behind too, so him and I went and conquered Meelmore together, and it was brill.  Winds were really strong at the summit and could very easliy have blown you off your feet.  I then headed back down to the saddle to meet Foreman, who was busting to tackle Meelbeg with two of his kids.

All in all, another great outing.  Extreme conditions, which was a brilliant test for my kit, and great music, booze and chat around the campfire.

Also really chuffed I got to visit the Summits of Meelmore and Meelbeg... That was a first for me!!!

I'll post a few pics later this evening... Right now I need fed!!!  :)

;D ;D ;D   

Quote from: MikeD on January 16, 2011, 11:52:53 AM

I will never tarp in the mournes again, its just too windy !

I came to the same decision a while back Mike... If it's calm it's a nice luxury to have, but winds over 30mph its just not worth the hassle.  A good bivvy bag and a nice hollow to climb into, or wall to cling too, is just perfect and it also means you can camp anywhere, and I really mean anywhere.  A summit would be no bother in any weather!!!

Quote from: Drongo on January 16, 2011, 12:40:45 AM

Quote from: LandyLiam on January 15, 2011, 11:59:11 PM
Was very rough up there, whoever has stayed is a brave (reckless) man.

Reckless I'd say respected  ;D


Sounds like an excellent night had by all ,

I had a great night with all of the usual suspects. It was a great test of all my gear. Tent performed well and was surprisingly stable in the very windy conditions. I had only one repair to make during the night when a piece of elastic snapped but it was easily fixed within 2-3 mins.

On the negative side i forgot a fork, oops.

I was never as glad to get to the car and meelemore for a feed.

Matthew

Slieve Meelmore - Slieve Meelbeg Saddle Bivvy pics as promised:

I'm too tired to put captions on right now... I will put a few on tomorrow so you know who and what you are looking at  ;)

Lots of fun, and a good test of gear as has been said!
I cut through the wood at the ice house and went over Commedagh via Shan Slieve.  It was mental at the top: the wind felt like it was sucking the eyeballs out of my head.  Compass all the way.  Followed the wall down to Hare's Gap, then contoured Bernagh, losing and finding the tracks a number of times.  Overshot the style by about 50m, but finally found the party around 10:30pm :)

My house is now full of drying and dirty items.  My jacket was brilliant, earplugs worked a treat as always, and the sleeping bag kept me cosy despite being soaked with a soaked man inside.  Other than a 70mph white out, I don't think the Mournes can get more extreme (well, maybe if there was thunder).

Thanks to Dowser for the hot chocolate, RedLeader for the music, and MikeD for the lift back (and to work)  8)

I must say on Saturday night I wasn't the least bit jealous, however those are often the trips you remember with the fondest memories.

Well done lads (and lassies?), respect is due.  Funny how you always seem to have pictures from the the start of the night and the next day, but seldom anything from when the corks are popped.  Perhaps that is better ;)

Great trip guys! I think leaving earlier in the day and coming up behind Meelmore meant Me, Matt and Jonny missed some of the worse weather. It was blustery at the lodge but then quite a pleasant hike until we got up to Pollaphuca / Bearnagh Slabs, then out of the shelter the rain came on and the wind increased significantly. I still think we could have bivvyed fine on the summit as the converging walls provided quite a bit of shelter but there was no chance we were getting pegs driven in for the tents.

Once we dropped down to the Meelmore/Meelbeg saddle and got settled I'd a great night and the usual awesome craic round the fire. Finally got a proper gear test for the Rab Storm bivvy, Mountain Equipment Ogre jacket, Primus Gravity 2, Tibetan pots and DPM tarp all of which performed admirably. Next time though I'm binning the tarp, it's not really necessary if you have reliable bivvy bag and is really not worth the effort in really windy conditions.

The real props go to Chuck, Craig (twentyclicks), Tim and his chum who came up late - you guys are hard as feckin' nails....

Looks like you all had a interesting night! Fair play for sticking it out, you must have been soaked through!!  ;D

QuoteI came to the same decision a while back Mike... If it's calm it's a nice luxury to have, but winds over 30mph its just not worth the hassle.  A good bivvy bag and a nice hollow to climb into, or wall to cling too, is just perfect and it also means you can camp anywhere, and I really mean anywhere.  A summit would be no bother in any weather!!!

How do you stay completely dry when just sleeping with the bivvy without a tarp? I assume you have to leave a hole open to breathe!!?? do you just turn this facing the ground?

On the breathing point, how much to you guys seal the tarp up, i have one with a draw string so it doesnt close completely but it suddenly occured to me that you obviously have to leave it open to a point to not sufficate!!?


Andy

Quote from: andy1984 on January 17, 2011, 10:59:47 AM
Looks like you all had a interesting night! Fair play for sticking it out, you must have been soaked through!!  ;D

QuoteI came to the same decision a while back Mike... If it's calm it's a nice luxury to have, but winds over 30mph its just not worth the hassle.  A good bivvy bag and a nice hollow to climb into, or wall to cling too, is just perfect and it also means you can camp anywhere, and I really mean anywhere.  A summit would be no bother in any weather!!!

How do you stay completely dry when just sleeping with the bivvy without a tarp? I assume you have to leave a hole open to breathe!!?? do you just turn this facing the ground?

On the breathing point, how much to you guys seal the tarp up, i have one with a draw string so it doesnt close completely but it suddenly occured to me that you obviously have to leave it open to a point to not sufficate!!?


Andy

I use an Army Issue Bivvy bag and it has quite a large semi circle shape that you are normally meant to use to lie with your head on.  In really wet weather I turn the bag upside down and pull the big semi circle down over the other part and it forms a good canopy.  Bit hard to describe here but I will take a photo of the bag later, after work, and post it in this thread.  You can then leave a bit of a a gap for air flow but the rain does not get down into the bag.

Well Done Guys, I was thinking of you all a few times through out Saturday, at about 4.30 in Belfast I was doing a football match and the rain was sideways, the other Photographers were all complaining about the rain, and I just laughed and though that this is nothing to what you guys are experiencing.

I woke up in the middle of the night and the windows were getting battered by the rain, and I think the words eejits & Mad came into my mind.

But fair play to you all.

That was a bit of a classic!  Really enjoyed the walk up and over Slieve Meelmore, the final Seven that I needed to visit.  Also well chuffed that all my gear coped really well so won't have any worries if get caught out in weather like that.

As has already been said, respect to the guys who came up in the dark.  Sorry never got to chat much to Craig, Chuck and Tim but I was too cosy in my cocoon!  Thanks to Matt for doing taxi duties and Jonno and Dowser for keeping the fire toasty.

Looking forward to hearing about MG1 and 6 Packs trip, sounds like it was an epic?!  Wasn't hard to figure out where you spent the night when I spotted the Buckfast empties the next morning ;D 

The only thing that got wet through on Saturday night was my gloves.  They were just a pair of Thinsulate things, but there was no way I was putting them on again the next morning.  I ended up using my spare pair of Bridgedale socks as mittens which worked a treat but looked a bit silly to passing hikers.

So I've learnt from my experience and have just bought a pair of these from Ebay for £14.99.  If your on a budget you can get them for £9.99, or less, second hand but I never take the risk and always buy my kit new.

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:) Waterproof, Windproof and Breathable
:) These are Lightweight Goretex Outers
:) Label Reads 'Mittens Outer Extreme Cold Weather'
:) Designed for cold weather use with inners
:) Draw cord tie to pull tighter
:) Wrist adjuster to make smaller if required
:) Genuine Military Issue Kit NSN 8415-99-869-3505

Think that's me totally waterproof now!!!

Writeups on the trip here
http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/blog/2011/01/bog-of-meelmore/
http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/blog/2011/01/slieve-meelmore-summit-cam/

As I was starting to write a trip report for the weekend I did some research on the summit tower of Slieve Meelmore. Found out some fascinating information which might be of interest. As it's quite lengthy I'm posting the trip report in two parts, but there are some B&W photos to see in Part 1.

I can't believe I didn't notice the initials carved into the tower, although in fairness it was dark and the weather was foul. Did anyone that went up the following day spot the initials?  I fear I may need to do another trip to see them with my own eyes!

http://www.jonpatterson.co.uk/2011/slieve-meelmore-part-1/