Northern Ireland Outdoors Forum - Hiking, camping and more
General => Meets, places, trips and reviews => Topic started by: RedLeader on June 01, 2010
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Continued from: http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1108 (http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1108)
How about Meelmore and Meelbeg on Tuesday 8th June 10 meeting at Meelmore Lodge at 7pm.
We'll aim to do Chucks route which is as follows and should be 6 miles or so:If the weather is good and the ground dry (and the walkers comfortable with the look of it):
* Up the gully to Spellack
* Slieve Meelmore Summit
* Dinner/snak/coffee break
* (depending on time) Follow the wall to Slieve Meelbeg
* (depending on time) Down via Fofanny Dam or double back a bit and down via Fofanny Wood/car park direction
* Along the wall following the Mourne/Ulster way back to Mellmore Lodge..
If it's wet or we're not 100% comfortable with the gully route, we 'sprint' toddle gently along beside the Trassey Track and head up to Meelmore via the wall coming from Bearnagh. Adds an extra 0.5 mile onto the route, but the path is more mature.
Participants
Chuck
J
Andy1984 (possible)
Chris
Dowser
matthewrblack
twentyclicks
Just so there's organisation of some sort we'll aim to leave Meelmore at 7pm but in the event that anyone hasn't turned up we'll wait until 730 then set off regardless. If you want to pm me I'll give you my mobile number so you can let us know if you're running late.
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I would be up for this and it means I could finally meet some of you . I would be coming from banbridge direction if anyone needs a lift .
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Tuesday is fine here as well.
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Excellent. Tuesday is a go then! Splendid. How long do you reckon - 4 hours or so?
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should be good for me too.
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Count me in.
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Count me in.
thats my lift sorted then ;)
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Splendid. Looks like we're getting the old band back together!
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i might try and make this depending on what time i get finished at. what are you guys doing about dinner? are you planning on eating before or taking something / making something on route?
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I usually just have sarnies in the car and chocolate etc on the way round.
i might try and make this depending on what time i get finished at. what are you guys doing about dinner? are you planning on eating before or taking something / making something on route?
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i might try and make this depending on what time i get finished at. what are you guys doing about dinner? are you planning on eating before or taking something / making something on route?
Never really worry about food just eat on the move.
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How long do you reckon - 4 hours or so?
I'm heading up on Wednesday evening, I'll time it.
Tempted to grab a bag of chips on the way through Dundrum....was I just unlucky one time last year or are the chips from the "Bayside Catch" chippy always drippin' in grease? (not been back since)
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How about tackling the Devils coachroad on one of are nite hikes?
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Sounds good guys I'm off work, my mot's up this week and the car needs a bit of work so I may have to take advantage of one of the lifts! Hopefully not though as I'd like to get the dog out too.
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How about tackling the Devils coachroad on one of are nite hikes?
oh yes ;D
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I may have to take advantage of one of the lifts! Hopefully not though as I'd like to get the dog out too.
You seem to be only about 10mins away from me, so if you are stuck, hit me with a PM, I could pick you up (dog as well if you want, I'll have my hound along, but there's a fair bit of room -and dog hair- in my RAV4) then head onto B'hinch from yours.
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Usual story for me... Will need to check if the Wife is working that evening... If she's not then yeap, I'm up for this. Will check tonight and give you a yea or nay later.
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Just put your foot down and remind her who wears the trousers! (Please don't tell her I said that ;))
Usual story for me... Will need to check if the Wife is working that evening... If she's not then yeap, I'm up for this. Will check tonight and give you a yea or nay later.
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Just put your foot down and remind her who wears the trousers! (Please don't tell her I said that ;))
Who was it said he was BANNED from outdoor shops! ;)
We know who wears the trousers in your household J ::)
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My wife doesn't think I'm ready for long trousers yet never mind being in control of any relationship :o
Just put your foot down and remind her who wears the trousers! (Please don't tell her I said that ;))
Who was it said he was BANNED from outdoor shops! ;)
We know who wears the trousers in your household J ::)
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I am def up for this my wife has also given me my permission slip ;) this will be fun
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Permission slip (http://www.scribd.com/doc/6930/Boys-Night-Out-Permission-Slip-1)? (an oldie but a goodie...don't think we'll need to worry about the the Stripper Clause)
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Permission slip (http://www.scribd.com/doc/6930/Boys-Night-Out-Permission-Slip-1)? (an oldie but a goodie...don't think we'll need to worry about the the Stripper Clause)
no strippers :-\
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no strippers :-\
Not in Meelmore, I've checked....twice...how about a nice wee cup of tea (http://www.meelmorelodge.com/images/DSCF0005.JPG) instead?
Anyhow...Below is the GPS log from the recce I did tonight.
Went up beside the Trassey River rather than up the gully to Spellack.
Started 6.30 finished 9.30.
I tend to crack on a bit esp. uphill...so unless folks are really keen to come down in the dark (along a rather boggy section above Fofanny Reservoir), we may want to think about just doing Meelmore leaving Meelbeg for another time and going up to the summit of Meelbeg, then backtrack the way we came and exiting the mountain via the Fofanny Woods valley rather than past Fofanney Reservoir.
Decision can be made on the day as there are a couple of escapes routes.
Spoiler: Pics and route notes from the recce. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcrobert/sets/72157624194191202/)
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I attached your route on a map.
I'm not too worried about the dark as long as I'm home for midnight-ish. We did Donard, Commedagh and Binnian in Nov/Dec evenings last year - we just all brought head torches.
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I'd better not come along then Jonno if you want home for midnight-ish, my pace you might be home for breakfast ;)
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Heh, no-one goes slower than me. I'm way too cool to rush 8) ::) Or too unfit - one of the two.
I'd better not come along then Jonno if you want home for midnight-ish, my pace you might be home for breakfast ;)
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I'm in. And I think Kat will be as well :)
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I may have to take advantage of one of the lifts! Hopefully not though as I'd like to get the dog out too.
You seem to be only about 10mins away from me, so if you are stuck, hit me with a PM, I could pick you up (dog as well if you want, I'll have my hound along, but there's a fair bit of room -and dog hair- in my RAV4) then head onto B'hinch from yours.
Thanks for the offer chuck, situation has developed become slightly more complicated! Car needs a ton of work doing but If everything works out I may have it back for tues. However I'm now working on tues untill 1800 so If some kind soul was passing a lift would be much appreciated if I'm car-less! this might put you guys out time wise though as the traffic's still awful at that time it could take well over an hour to get to melmore. Might be best to count me out due to unforeseen circumstances and I'll catch the next one.
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I'll be leaving town at 530ish so I can grab you from Cotswolds on the way through. Just pack light :)
I may have to take advantage of one of the lifts! Hopefully not though as I'd like to get the dog out too.
You seem to be only about 10mins away from me, so if you are stuck, hit me with a PM, I could pick you up (dog as well if you want, I'll have my hound along, but there's a fair bit of room -and dog hair- in my RAV4) then head onto B'hinch from yours.
Thanks for the offer chuck, situation has developed become slightly more complicated! Car needs a ton of work doing but If everything works out I may have it back for tues. However I'm now working on tues untill 1800 so If some kind soul was passing a lift would be much appreciated if I'm car-less! this might put you guys out time wise though as the traffic's still awful at that time it could take well over an hour to get to melmore. Might be best to count me out due to unforeseen circumstances and I'll catch the next one.
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I'll be leaving town at 530ish so I can grab you from Cotswolds on the way through. Just pack light :)
Can you resist popping in to Cotswolds for a quick shop though? Thats the question ;D
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I'll be leaving town at 530ish so I can grab you from Cotswolds on the way through. Just pack light :)
Can you resist popping in to Cotswolds for a quick shop though? Thats the question ;D
We had a bit of a sort out on boots and there were loads of ones with the box missing so they've been reduced, might be able to grab yourself a bargin. There's even a few 4 season B1's for Andy!
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We had a bit of a sort out on boots and there were loads of ones with the box missing so they've been reduced, might be able to grab yourself a bargin. There's even a few 4 season B1's for Andy!
Don't suppose there are any trail shoes, or just boots?
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I'll be coming too....
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I'll be leaving town at 530ish so I can grab you from Cotswolds on the way through. Just pack light :)
Can you resist popping in to Cotswolds for a quick shop though? Thats the question ;D
We had a bit of a sort out on boots and there were loads of ones with the box missing so they've been reduced, might be able to grab yourself a bargin. There's even a few 4 season B1's for Andy!
Are there any rock shoes?
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Just so there's organisation of some sort we'll aim to leave Meelmore at 7pm but in the event that anyone hasn't turned up we'll wait until 730 then set off regardless. If you want to pm me I'll give you my mobile number so you can let us know if you're running late.
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Is the gullie a scramble?
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It's steep, but not a hands and knees affair, but it's quite (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcrobert/4665325115/) grassy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcrobert/4665325201/) so can be slippy in the wet.
I would be more comfortable with the group going around the longer way beside Trassey River (as I did last week (http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1120.0;attach=279;image)). On the night, if anyone fancies the look of the gully route, as long as they have someone with them, fire on ahead.
ps. I'm aiming to be in the car park for 6.30 to grab a bite of food before the start.
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Both me and Kat will be there for 7pm. Actually, I'd better aim to be there for 6.30pm so I at least make it for 7pm ;)
Think we will have another couple joining us as well so should be a good turn out!
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Hiking swinging. Very modern :o
I'll probably be a bit late as I'm collecting peeps on the way but hopefully not too much.
Both me and Kat will be there for 7pm. Actually, I'd better aim to be there for 6.30pm so I at least make it for 7pm ;)
Think we will have another couple joining us as well so should be a good turn out!
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I'd be up for this but have no motorised transport. If anyone going through Belfast has space, maybe I could grab a lift?
I'm right at Forestside, but can cycle anywhere handier.
Don't worry if it's not possible, I'll catch you all again another time.
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Sorry but I can not make it was sent home from work yesterday with what I thought was man flu but doctor has told me I have chronic case of tonsillitis so I think a walk would not be the best idea :( only good out of it is I get a few days of work and I bought a dd tarp to make my suffering not as painfull . I'm really pi((ed I am missing this .
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No probs, there'll be plenty more!
Sorry but I can not make it was sent home from work yesterday with what I thought was man flu but doctor has told me I have chronic case of tonsillitis so I think a walk would not be the best idea :( only good out of it is I get a few days of work and I bought a dd tarp to make my suffering not as painfull . I'm really pi((ed I am missing this .
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I could probably grab you on the way through. Am coming from Gilnahirk.
I'd be up for this but have no motorised transport. If anyone going through Belfast has space, maybe I could grab a lift?
I'm right at Forestside, but can cycle anywhere handier.
Don't worry if it's not possible, I'll catch you all again another time.
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Looks like it's going to be a damp one (http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/today.asp?zipcode=bt33).
I bought a dd tarp to make my suffering not as painfull .
Nice. Get well.
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Rite I am up for this too, well as of right now I am baring all disasters.
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Looks like it's going to be a damp one (http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/today.asp?zipcode=bt33).
I bought a dd tarp to make my suffering not as painfull .
Nice. Get well.
cheers I hope to be up and about for when my tarp arrives , then I can practice putting it up ;)
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I could probably grab you on the way through. Am coming from Gilnahirk.
I'd be up for this but have no motorised transport. If anyone going through Belfast has space, maybe I could grab a lift?
I'm right at Forestside, but can cycle anywhere handier.
Don't worry if it's not possible, I'll catch you all again another time.
Cheers J, I'll PM you my number.
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I'd love to make this one but I'm working till half 6 then have to head up to the hospital to see my sister who had her first baby this morning. Gutted to miss this but I'll make the next one, actually the one after if you're going weekly as I'm off to France next Wednesday.
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Congrats to your sis. The mountains 'aint going anywhere. We'll see you on the next one when you get back.
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Some typical NI weather out there. Might need to bring a brolly ::)
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Some typical NI weather out there. Might need to bring a brolly ::)
Your bound to have a selection of gore-tex jackets to choose from!
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I wish. Unfortunately I'm too much of a tight arse so while I buy lots of gear it's mostly pants (and by that I mean bad. I don't just buy loads of hiking underwear :))
Some typical NI weather out there. Might need to bring a brolly ::)
Your bound to have a selection of gore-tex jackets to choose from!
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Sorry guys, but I can't make this one :( It's not weather related though - wouldn't want any one thinking I'm a fair-weather hiker ;) Still up for Friday so will see ya all then!
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I wish. Unfortunately I'm too much of a tight arse so while I buy lots of gear it's mostly pants (and by that I mean bad. I don't just buy loads of hiking underwear :))
Some typical NI weather out there. Might need to bring a brolly ::)
Your bound to have a selection of gore-tex jackets to choose from!
Well seeing as you were going to call into cotswold any way why not pick up that nice little "rab" pro-shell number?!
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Considering their pricing the only Rab item I'm ever likely to own is the bottle opener that Cotswolds gave me at the Andy Kirkpatrick lecture :)
I wish. Unfortunately I'm too much of a tight arse so while I buy lots of gear it's mostly pants (and by that I mean bad. I don't just buy loads of hiking underwear :))
Some typical NI weather out there. Might need to bring a brolly ::)
Your bound to have a selection of gore-tex jackets to choose from!
Well seeing as you were going to call into cotswold any way why not pick up that nice little "rab" pro-shell number?!
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hi guys sorry to but I to am going to have to punk out :-[ ( one and only time )
Hope you have a good one and I'll def make the next one
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I might take a run up tonight depending if I can actually eat anything just to say hi as I don't want you guys thinking I am some random cider drinking knife nut who has a thing for dora the exploer and likes to wear a pink tutu while out walking . Tutu is optional if you want me to wear it :-*
Just to show I am kind of normal for iplod ;D
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hi guys sorry to but I to am going to have to punk out :-[ ( one and only time )
Hope you have a good one and I'll def make the next one
No worries. Is MG still coming?
I might take a run up tonight depending if I can actually eat anything just to say hi as I don't want you guys thinking I am some random cider drinking knife nut who has a thing for dora the exploer and likes to wear a pink tutu while out walking . Tutu is optional if you want me to wear it :-*
Just to show I am kind of normal for iplod ;D
Well not too normal or you'll never fit in ;)
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Considering their pricing the only Rab item I'm ever likely to own is the bottle opener that Cotswolds gave me at the Andy Kirkpatrick lecture :)
I wish. Unfortunately I'm too much of a tight arse so while I buy lots of gear it's mostly pants (and by that I mean bad. I don't just buy loads of hiking underwear :))
Some typical NI weather out there. Might need to bring a brolly ::)
Your bound to have a selection of gore-tex jackets to choose from!
Well seeing as you were going to call into cotswold any way why not pick up that nice little "rab" pro-shell number?!
Rab stuff is very reasonably priced. especially when it comes to the likes of soft shells and insulating layers.
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hi guys sorry to but I to am going to have to punk out :-[ ( one and only time )
Hope you have a good one and I'll def make the next one
No worries. Is MG still coming?
I might take a run up tonight depending if I can actually eat anything just to say hi as I don't want you guys thinking I am some random cider drinking knife nut who has a thing for dora the exploer and likes to wear a pink tutu while out walking . Tutu is optional if you want me to wear it :-*
Just to show I am kind of normal for iplod ;D
Well not too normal or you'll never fit in ;)
Yeah I'm sure he is mate.
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Well not too normal or you'll never fit in ;)
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Yeah I'm sure he is mate.
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not sure if that's an insult or a compliment but cheers
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Think he means is MG still coming.....I'm sure he is mate, but I could be wrong. ;D
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Think he means is MG still coming.....I'm sure he is mate, but I could be wrong. ;D
lol think u may be right :o oooops
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Think he means is MG still coming.....I'm sure he is mate, but I could be wrong. ;D
lol think u may be right :o oooops
my bad ;)
Yeah Im sure MG is still going tonight.
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Think he means is MG still coming.....I'm sure he is mate, but I could be wrong. ;D
lol think u may be right :o oooops
my bad ;)
Yeah Im sure MG is still going tonight.
Nope I'm a tit :)
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I can't make it tonight, sorry, I'm such a loser :-\
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Guys i'm not going to bother tonight. I was bringing a friend from oz for his first hike. Don't think its the right weather for him to do his first couple hills.
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One drop of rain and you're all suddenly busy ;) ::)
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I will be there just to say hi and meet a few before iplod I also will use it as an excuse to show my two boys meelmore camp site and see if they fancy staying there soon . I will be sitting in a Volvo so please say hi incase I go up to some complete randoms and confuse them with my ramblings
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Will do!
I will be there just to say hi and meet a few before iplod I also will use it as an excuse to show my two boys meelmore camp site and see if they fancy staying there soon . I will be sitting in a Volvo so please say hi incase I go up to some complete randoms and confuse them with my ramblings
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Guys I would just like to take a wee second to say a public sorry to Dowser and anyone else I kept waiting tonight. I had in my head that this was happening tomorrow. Sorry guys
Matthew
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Nice to meet you guys chuck & chris and the two others who arrived i don't even think I heard your names due to me feeling the effects of trying to control my two little devils :)
P.s if anyone is looking a babysitter Chris is your man ;)
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The rest of the group should be tucked up in their beds for the last couple of hours, but because of an errant dog I've only just got home. Boy I could murder a bag of chips. :) nite nite
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Was a top walk and great to meet Craig and Chuck. We did Meelmore and Meelbeg from Meelmore Lodge with the original 15 people cut down a shade to 4 (75% attrition rate - we know you were all just afraid of the weather ;)). It was 7.15 miles with 686m of ascent. The weather wasn't as bad as forecast, very foggy with low cloud but by the time were coming by Fofanny Dam it was pitch dark and we could only see about 5m - that's our excuse for the slight detour we took ::)
So what's next!! Back to http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1120 (http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1120) for discussions!!
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4684781536_23af2425b0_b.jpg)
Slieve Meelmore Summit
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Slieve Meelbeg Summit
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Looks like you all had a great time, glad you's enjoyed it.
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Yup, was good walk, interesting wee scramble going up Meelmore, never done that side of the wall before.
Even with the fog and wind, the weather was on our side, the wall protected us from the worst of the wind (once we figured out which part of the wall to stand behind) and the drizzle while coming down from Meelbeg was as bad as it got IMHO.
Good to meet you guys. Sorry for breaking up the party at the end (small ginger dog will not be coming on any other NI-Wild gigs). Ended up doing 10.1 miles (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcrobert/4684901022/sizes/m/). It actually turned out very calm, no drizzle, no wind, warm, but the fog really closed in, used a couple of glow sticks to make sure I stayed on the path. Foolishly I phoned the wife to let her know I would be late owing to 'misplacing' the dog. She insisted on driving down (against my advice) and just sat in the car, arm folded. Both dog and I felt it advisable to 'bivvy' in the lounge last night..I suspect I'm grounded this weekend... :-[
No photos from this side...too busy walking.
P.s if anyone is looking a babysitter chris is your man ;)
They certainly latched onto him. Next time we'll throw your two up Hare's Gap...that'll take the wind out of their sails ;D
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Glad Bo was safe and well - all part of excitement of the outdoors! Surely the wife'll realise it was fairly unavoidable (I'd have blamed the dog but I have low morals ;))
Yup, was good walk, interesting wee scramble going up Meelmore, never done that side of the wall before.
Even with the fog and wind, the weather was on our side, the wall protected us from the worst of the wind (once we figured out which part of the wall to stand behind) and the drizzle while coming down from Meelbeg was as bad as it got IMHO.
Good to meet you guys. Sorry for breaking up the party at the end (small ginger dog will not be coming on any other NI-Wild gigs). Ended up doing 10.1 miles (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcrobert/4684901022/sizes/m/). It actually turned out very calm, no drizzle, no wind, warm, but the fog really closed in, used a couple of glow sticks to make sure I stayed on the path. Foolishly I phoned the wife to let her know I would be late owing to 'misplacing' the dog. She insisted on driving down (against my advice) and just sat in the car, arm folded. Both dog and I felt it advisable to 'bivvy' in the lounge last night..I suspect I'm grounded this weekend... :-[
No photos from this side...too busy walking.
P.s if anyone is looking a babysitter chris is your man ;)
They certainly latched onto him. Next time we'll throw your two up Hare's Gap...that'll take the wind out of their sails ;D
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So it was craig and not chris ? And was that you j with the walking poles . I was not 100% fully well and suffered more when I got home and only bit of sympathy the wife gave me where these kind words " told you not to go you ass"
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Sorry I didn't get much of a chance to chat. I was (as usual) running late and didn't want to keep anyone back any further. You met Chuck and Chris (they were on time). I came later with the walking poles and with Craig (twentyclicks) as a passenger.
So it was craig and not chris ? And was that you j with the walking poles . I was not 100% fully well and suffered more when I got home and only bit of sympathy the wife gave me where these kind words " told you not to go you ass"
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No prob just nice to meet you all make easier fir me when I eventually make up into the hills with ya . You should really buy a watch if your always running late ;D
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Tried that, didn't make any difference. I was only 15 minutes late yesterday which for me is damn near on time :D
No prob just nice to meet you all make easier fir me when I eventually make up into the hills with ya . You should really buy a watch if your always running late ;D
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Glad Bo was safe and well - all part of excitement of the outdoors! Surely the wife'll realise it was fairly unavoidable (I'd have blamed the dog but I have low morals ;))
You're being kind...the blame/responsibility is always with the owner.
I was not 100% fully well and suffered more when I got home and only bit of sympathy the wife gave me where these kind words " told you not to go you ass"
So you got the kids and car cleaned down before she saw that a well? :D
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Super wee jaunt with the lads last night. Pleasant temperature and pretty stable weather. We generally couldn't see anything, but it took until about 10:30 before it actually got dark. Chuck; glad you captured the rebel dog and didn't have to spend the whole night rambling the hills!
Thanks to J for transporting me. I definitely hope to make more of these evenings.
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Was great to meet you last night. Now we'll have to get you on a weekender!
Super wee jaunt with the lads last night. Pleasant temperature and pretty stable weather. We generally couldn't see anything, but it took until about 10:30 before it actually got dark. Chuck; glad you captured the rebel dog and didn't have to spend the whole night rambling the hills!
Thanks to J for transporting me. I definitely hope to make more of these evenings.
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I was not 100% fully well and suffered more when I got home and only bit of sympathy the wife gave me where these kind words " told you not to go you ass"
So you got the kids and car cleaned down before she saw that a well? :D
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:) too bloody right I did had them both in the shower and all clothes in washing machine before she made it home . The car will be getting cleaned by the 2 culprits when I lift them from school .
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Was great to meet you last night. Now we'll have to get you on a weekender!
Super wee jaunt with the lads last night. Pleasant temperature and pretty stable weather. We generally couldn't see anything, but it took until about 10:30 before it actually got dark. Chuck; glad you captured the rebel dog and didn't have to spend the whole night rambling the hills!
Thanks to J for transporting me. I definitely hope to make more of these evenings.
Yeah, work permitting! As I don't start until 11:30 on Sunday, might be able to do a Saturday evening sometime with an early leave...
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I was not 100% fully well and suffered more when I got home and only bit of sympathy the wife gave me where these kind words " told you not to go you ass"
So you got the kids and car cleaned down before she saw that a well? :D
:) too bloody right I did had them both in the shower and all clothes in washing machine before she made it home . The car will be getting cleaned by the 2 culprits when I lift them from school .
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Nice, get those Hawaiian shorts on, pint of cider on the rocks and some music going! Trust me you'll love it!
Good to meet a few new faces also, Thanks to chuck for the lift down and I'm glad Bow's ok, Try not to be too harsh on him :-[
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The car will be getting cleaned by the 2 culprits when I lift them from school .
Like your style...Ohh yea, think one of your two got a bit of dust on my car as well, you can send them around any-time over the weekend to clean my car as well ;)
Good to meet a few new faces also, Thanks to chuck for the lift down and I'm glad Bow's ok, Try not to be too harsh on him :-[
Good to meet you as well. While I may threaten to "kick the wee ginger sh1te up the arse when I get hold of him", I've had dogs long enough to know that is counter productive....can't say the same for my wife....when we got home she was all out of lollipops (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=today+i%27m+handing+out+lollipops+and+ass-whoopins+and+right+now+i%27m+all+out+of+lollipops). ;D