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Outdoor Activities => Northern Ireland Canoeing and Watersports => Topic started by: Jussy on November 03, 2009

Title: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Jussy on November 03, 2009
Hello all !
Just came across this forum by accident. But im glad i did.

Over the summer i have been out and about and watched guys/girls on strangford lough in kayaks. so this has kind of put the notion in my head about buying one.
So for the past couple of months i have been looking into what type/sort to buy. I have searched the net and i have decided i would like a sit-in one about 9 or 10ft long general purpose. I think the 1 i have decided on is the perception sundance.

Can anyone advice me on this. ie: is it a good/bad choice for a beginner and what sort of places would best suit me with this kayak??

Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated and hopefully help me get out onto or into the water.

many thanks
Mark
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Damp Colin on November 03, 2009
hi jussy i take it it's a sea kayak your looking for? Dont know much about them as i do mostly river and white water kayaking but the Belfast Kayak Club do a lot of sea kayaking and have some well informed members who could put you in the right direction.  ;D
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Jussy on November 03, 2009
Hello.
Thanks for replying. No its not really a sea kayak im after. Basically its just an all rounder that would do rivers (mostly what i will want to do) but also something that if i fancied i could scoot out to an island on strangford lough etc.
what kind have you got and what all would you use it for??
im just looking plenty of advice before i part with money.
cheers
jussy
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Damp Colin on November 03, 2009
If its mostly rivers you want to do a river runner boat would do the job. I've a DaggerGTX white water spec which is a good all rounder for my size "6 foot and 14 stone" goes well down any river and is good to play in white water i.e surfing.
Go on the net and look at reviews of boats and join a club then you can get the chance to try out a few different types to see wot best suits you. Belfast Kayak club hire out sea kayaks and open boats "canoes" free of charge if your a member where do you live?
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Jussy on November 03, 2009
Hi.
Im in ballyhalbert so not too far from the "bright lights" ill have to get in touch with them then. do you know anything about the perception sundance? its just the one thats standing out for me.
jussy
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Damp Colin on November 04, 2009
the perception sundance is more a recreational kayak a safe bet for the beginner but you'll find as you become a better paddler you would want to try so white water, shooting rapids action. The sundance wouldnt be the boat to do that but if you've the money to buy another more suitable boat down the line when your skills develop then go for it. It just depends wot you want to do.
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Jussy on November 04, 2009
i think a safe bet is the way for me ! ive learnt the hard way with other things ive decided to try. im sure i will want to try different things i the future but ill start off slowly.
thanks for your advice and your help. its appreciated.
jussy
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: pablo on November 04, 2009
seriously though,i think your really restricting yourself with a sit in kayak. unless your a competent yakker with all the appropriate/essential safety gear then id steer clear of a sit in.

a friend of mine bought one and i almost parted with money for one myself. thank fully i did my homework and bought something a LOT more versatile.....a sit on top kayak. much safer and suitable for salt water as well as rivers and lakes.
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Damp Colin on November 05, 2009
Have to agree with you on that one pablo sit on kayaks or much safer for the beginner to gain confidence and progress skill levels but theres nothing to beat rolling on white water in a sit in kayak  ;D
Having never been on a sit on whats it like to roll?
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Jussy on November 05, 2009
Hi Pablo and damp colin
there is just something about the sit on i dont fancy. im honestly not sure what it is but id rather have a sit in. when i was younger i went to lessons in the robinson centre in sit ins. so if i was going to get one i would like some sort of refresher course on safety etc before i started. do you know if anywhere does this sort of thing??
a friend has a sit in and a girl i work with has a sit on so i will have to get out a run on both to see which i prefer.

apart from the amount of gear i could carry what other advantages/disadvantages are there with both sit on and sit ins???

thanks lads
jussy
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Damp Colin on November 05, 2009
The Robinson centre has open paddling sessions every wednesday evenings from 8.30 to 9.30 i'm usually there and theres always a qualified coach or two who attend to so if you want to brush up on strokes and braces before setting off on open water then come on down.
I learnt in a sit in and will always use and buy a sit in, sit on's dont interest me but everyones different and a lot of beginners would apprieciate the stability they provide again its all an individual preference
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Jussy on November 05, 2009
Thats great to know the Robinson Centre is still holding those sessions. I will definatly come to those for a wee fresher. I feel the same as you regarding the sit ons. They just dont interest me for some reason. But as you say everyone has their own preference.
I will keep in touch with you regarding the Robinson Centre.
Cheers Colin
Mark
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: MG1 on November 06, 2009
Whats envovled in those classes?
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Damp Colin on November 06, 2009
they arent structured as its an open session to the public but there is usually at least one coach there who would teach anything that you wanted to learn from farward paddling properly to support strokes, how to roll, rescues etc plus theres a few seasoned paddlers who are always willing to give advice on any kayaking subject.
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: MG1 on November 06, 2009
Where abouts is the Robinson centre?
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Damp Colin on November 06, 2009
on the castlereagh road just before the traffic lights at the ring road where Lidil's is, where would you be coming from?
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: MG1 on November 06, 2009
Portadown. Do they supply all the gear?
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Damp Colin on November 06, 2009
Bit of a drive, they have paddles, nylon spraydecks and plastic kayaks not the best quality equipment but they do for the beginner and novice.
They let you bring your own kayak and gear if you have it which i do.
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: MG1 on November 06, 2009
Its not to bad half hour up the road. I would need to use there gear, i havent bought any yet cause i want to give it a go before i buy anything.
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Damp Colin on November 06, 2009
No probs any time you fancy giving it a go at the Robinson Centre give me a shout  ;D
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: MG1 on November 06, 2009
Thats great mate cheers
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Damp Colin on November 07, 2009
no probs ;D
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: RedLeader on November 09, 2009
I'd be game to do canoeing at the Robinson centre. It's just down the road from me.
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Damp Colin on November 09, 2009
Anyone can go costs £4.20 for the open session from 8.30 to 9.30
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: kenbocbr on November 09, 2009
Hi
Where is it and what days are they available I would love a go
Ken

Anyone can go costs £4.20 for the open session from 8.30 to 9.30
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Damp Colin on November 09, 2009
Its at the Robinson centre off the castlereagh road every wednesday evening from 8.30 to 9.30
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: kenbocbr on November 09, 2009
Thankz a lot I will definately give it a go wed fortnight
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Damp Colin on November 09, 2009
no probs maybe see you there then  ;D
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: RedLeader on November 10, 2009
So can you just turn up at the Robinson Centre on a Wed night with no real experience and be shown or do you need to have done some beginner stuff first? Also, can you take kids (11 year old).

I did a week Kayaking course at a swimming pool when I was a teenager, was great fun.
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: kenbocbr on November 10, 2009
Forgot to ask do u have to wear a wet suit or is it just swimming trunks
Ken
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Jussy on November 10, 2009
I heard it was the Northern Ireland branch of the nudey canoe association  ;D
Title: Re: Advice for a newbie
Post by: Damp Colin on November 10, 2009
You just turn up and pay your money as its an open session to any of the public, most of the people who do turn up which is usually about 8 are in a club or have done some kind of kayaking before but that doesnt mean a beginner cant come. Like i said earlier theres always at least one or two coaches there people can ask for advice, kids are welcome too. Ken all you need is a pair of trunks "not elephant ones" and a t-shirt to wear if you want.