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Title: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on August 09, 2009: might as well start planning now, no point in procrastinating! for those who wern't there on sat night there was talk of a lightweight trip to hares gap at some stage then maybe hit bernagh the next morning.
Title: Re: lightweight
Post by: billy backpack on August 09, 2009: I'm in

Full on bivi I presume ? ::)
Title: Re: lightweight
Post by: 666_pack on August 10, 2009: me to.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on August 10, 2009: I'm in. :)
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 10, 2009: Woohoo. Me too!

What dates suit - I think we'd be best to keep it as close to summer weather as possible - don't want to have my 1st bivvying experience in the snow. What about a quick up'n'down either Fri 4th Sep or Sat 5th Sep. We could bomb down after work Friday, meet at Meelmore Lodge at say 7pm - would be plenty of time to get up and organised. If we get to Hares Gap and the weathers suitable and it's not too late we could bomb on up Bernagh..

Lets compare kit lists and weights:

I've been through my kitlist and discounting food, a couple of bungees and maybe some titanium pegs, this is my initial list (weighed on the wifes cooking scales) :
Jetboil+gas 800
Tarp+guys+pegs 900
Sleeping bag 1200
Self inflating mat 1000
Berghaus freeflow 30+6 Rucksack 1500
Bivi bag 400
Drinking bladder (1L water) 1000
Total 6.8Kg

What do you all think - have I missed anything? I could dump the self inflating mat but I'd probably not get much of a nights sleep then. I could also get a smaller tarp but I like the idea that I could make an A-Frame with a walking pole if the weather was nasty.

Also, I think I'm definately going to get a travel tap. Serious weight reduction always gets scuppered when you factor in water and the travel tap is supposed to be excellent. (Link to travel tap http://www.backpackinglight.co.uk/product353.asp)
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 10, 2009: looks like I'm gettin the scales out tonight.
Either of those dates suit me so I'll see what the rest of you guys think.

So 6.8kg is the score to beat.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on August 10, 2009: The 8th and 9th sept are a Tues and Wed I'm heading to Ibiza on the 9th.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 10, 2009: what about 3-4 september?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on August 10, 2009: I'm down with what ever, pob better getting a date to suit you guys with the full time jobs and I can slot in.

Can't wait to see how light I can go, gonna have a look at making one of those pop can stove jobbies.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 10, 2009: Quote from: MG1 on August 10, 2009
The 8th and 9th sept are a Tues and Wed I'm heading to Ibiza on the 9th.

Doh, was looking at the wrong month. I did infact mean the 4th or 5th Sept. Well spotted that man!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 10, 2009: you'll never look back chris. 8-11g per stove is some drop in weight.

I'm really gonna push myself on this.

Heres a good resource for some weight saving ideas

http://www.bplite.com/index.php
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 10, 2009: How about 28th - 29th August, it would really round off the summer
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 10, 2009: Quote from: billy backpack on August 10, 2009
How about 28th - 29th August, it would really round off the summer

I had considered it but it's my lads last weekend of the summer so I don't want to be going away.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 10, 2009: I know, it just dawned on me :-[

Don't know what to think I'm beat for the weekend of the 5th and 12th and I def do not want to miss this one !!!!!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: NeilB on August 10, 2009: I def wanna make this 1 also guys, seen the pics looks like you guys had a right good time, but 5th totally out of question, her best mates wedding so if i miss that to go camping im a dead man
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 11, 2009: Sorry, when I mentioned the 4/5 Sep to the wife she reminded me that I told her to find a childminder and I'd taker her out. Think I'm in trouble for not remembering never mind trying to go :D

I'm good most weeks after that so when does Gareth get back from his hols?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 11, 2009: I'm easy so once a date is set the action is go.

how is the pack weights going?

What about a weigh in at the start of the hike..........just for fun?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on August 11, 2009: I'm back on the 16th and the MMM is te 19th&20th so i could go 26th/27th Sept but could only manage a day trip don't wanna push my luck to much.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 11, 2009: Quote from: MG1 on August 11, 2009
I'm back on the 16th and the MMM is te 19th&20th so i could go 26th/27th Sept but could only manage a day trip don't wanna push my luck to much.

Hmm. That's pushing us into Nov which would be chilly for a tester lightweight overnighter. Maybe we should pick a date in Sept that the most people can make with a view to doing it again late Sept or early Niov if poss. In the meantime we could try and just schedule a couple of day up/downs as well. I'm keen to do Bernagh still and I'd like to bring the boy too.

I'm hoping for things to be being organised continually where everyone justs makes it when they can.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on August 11, 2009: Guys work you's on with the bivvy nite i've to much on next month for an overnighter but i'm up for any day trips.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 11, 2009: Quote from: 666_pack on August 11, 2009
I'm easy so once a date is set the action is go.

how is the pack weights going?

What about a weigh in at the start of the hike..........just for fun?

Just for fun ........... it sounds a little competative to me so are there going to be rules.
For instance , essentials that must be carried or minimum amounts of whatever ?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on August 11, 2009: Quote from: billy backpack on August 11, 2009
Quote from: 666_pack on August 11, 2009
I'm easy so once a date is set the action is go.

how is the pack weights going?

What about a weigh in at the start of the hike..........just for fun?

Just for fun ........... it sounds a little competative to me so are there going to be rules.
For instance , essentials that must be carried or minimum amounts of whatever ?

I wouldn't imagine so, we're all big boys now! just go with whatever you feel comfortable with. I thought it might be a good idea if it was before the mmm that way we could use it as a kind of proving ground, better to find out early that somethings not right!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 12, 2009: Quote from: billy backpack on August 11, 2009
Quote from: 666_pack on August 11, 2009
I'm easy so once a date is set the action is go.

how is the pack weights going?

What about a weigh in at the start of the hike..........just for fun?

Just for fun ........... it sounds a little competative to me so are there going to be rules.
For instance , essentials that must be carried or minimum amounts of whatever ?

Let's not get too carried away :D You could jog up Bernagh in your underpants wearing flipflops and carrying a few energy bars.... I'm happy with trying to get as light as possible and then we can all compare. If needs be we can settle any competitive needs with arm wrestling :D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 14, 2009: Are we any further on with plans or dates ?

I know its a bit tough to get a date that suits everyone so I think we should maybe try to narrow down a month then work on the dates, what does everyone think ?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 17, 2009: alright guys,
Tall Ships are over and done with and the pack can hear the hills calling.
Have we settled on a date yet?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: emmadilemma on August 18, 2009: Quote from: jonno on August 12, 2009
Quote from: billy backpack on August 11, 2009
Quote from: 666_pack on August 11, 2009
I'm easy so once a date is set the action is go.

how is the pack weights going?

What about a weigh in at the start of the hike..........just for fun?

Just for fun ........... it sounds a little competative to me so are there going to be rules.
For instance , essentials that must be carried or minimum amounts of whatever ?

Let's not get too carried away :D You could jog up Bernagh in your underpants wearing flipflops and carrying a few energy bars.... I'm happy with trying to get as light as possible and then we can all compare. If needs be we can settle any competitive needs with arm wrestling :D

Let me get this straight then.....ur all gonna be arm wrestling at the top of bernagh in ur underpants and flip flops??? An theres me thinkin u were a civilised bunch ... :)
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 18, 2009: Quote from: emmadilemma on August 18, 2009
Let me get this straight then.....ur all gonna be arm wrestling at the top of bernagh in ur underpants and flip flops??? An theres me thinkin u were a civilised bunch ... :)

Ultralight hiking is a competitive business but flipflops and underpants may be a step too far, I let my manly machismo get the better of me ;)

On a side note, I haven't returned to planning this because dates are so tight with the schools going back. Once it's clearer I think we'll still try and find a suitable September date (and the 4/5 may still suit me, I'll know in a few days). Either way I'm dead keen to both get up Bernagh and do the bivvying!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: Hound of Ulster on August 20, 2009: ;) Wot no hammock?

Would love to go, but depends on dates and whether I can get it off work.

Just got myself a hennessey hammock for a fattergit.........

Shall keep watching.

Hound
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: ulsterwalker on August 24, 2009: any further progress peeps? I'd defo be up for it, however might be in my tent unless its a perfect night, my lightweight kit don't like the elements much
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 26, 2009: Looks like I'll hopefully be good for the 4 or 5 September again. Who's with me!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 26, 2009: I have my solo planned for that weekend but we could meet at the saddle for morning brew!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 26, 2009: Quote from: 666_pack on August 26, 2009
I have my solo planned for that weekend but we could meet at the saddle for morning brew!

We could do the bivvy on Friday night, then you could head off Sat morning for your solo.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 26, 2009: It's that solo camp i think will be the real adventure. :o But as I said you can count me in for that first brew ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 26, 2009: Quote from: 666_pack on August 26, 2009
It's that solo camp i think will be the real adventure. :o But as I said you can count me in for that first brew ;D

Could you do the following weekend?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 26, 2009: o.k jonno i'll if said weekend suits the rabble as always you can count me in.

It's not like the Mournes are going anywhere. ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 26, 2009: Ok I'm ready to go anytime.

I guess we are all talking about weekends as opposed to weekdays ???
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 26, 2009: looks like 4th-5th sept....
andy are you in?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 26, 2009: Yep no bother, has anyone done a long range forecast I'm all for bivving but a certain Mr Mears said on TV last night that when out camping if you are roughing it your doing something wrong. :-X

Are we going to do a bit of tramping while we're up there cos I have to with the MMM coming up !
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 26, 2009: if you wanna give your old legs a strech what about we walk the brady pad and come back to the hares gap the long way over commedagh.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 26, 2009: Quote from: 666_pack on August 26, 2009
if you wanna give your old legs a strech what about we walk the brady pad and come back to the hares gap the long way over commedagh.

Lets not get too carried away ::)

I'm game for a walk but I don't want to be doing it carrying the full gear for an overnighter.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 26, 2009: Quote from: 666_pack on August 26, 2009
if you wanna give your old legs a strech what about we walk the brady pad and come back to the hares gap the long way over commedagh.
Sounds like a plan but if your going to commit to it why not try and take in Chimney Rock for the plane wreakage ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 26, 2009: Lets not get too carried away ::)

I'm game for a walk but I don't want to be doing it carrying the full gear for an overnighter.
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Jonno hopefully your coming with a lightweight kit and if needs be we'll dig a hole and bury it, we can collect it on the way back............ lol ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on August 26, 2009: Yeah that should suit me, ait got my shifts for work yet but I'll be able to call in a few favours if anything gets in he way!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 27, 2009: I thought I might use this as an excuse to do my Bernagh summit. I'm fairly new to all this malarky so I don't want to over commit distance wise and I've yet to even do a distance walk carrying overnight gear.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 27, 2009: so are we set on this date then? Is the action go!!!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on August 27, 2009: Seems to be! that only gies me a week to prefect my pop can stoves and shed more weight! Aggghhh!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 27, 2009: So are we doing Fri night or Sat?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 27, 2009: Whats the crack........are we still going for the bare essentials.

I don't have a problem with bivving but if anyone wants to have a good day in the hills the next day you would need to make sure thats what you want, nothing worse than waking up like a bear with a sore head :'(
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on August 27, 2009: Sat night would suit me the best, that way I can get down after work and back before if it comes down to it!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 27, 2009: I agree Friday could be a bit of a push for me and instead of a panic and reaching our start point late on, what about meeting late morn / early afternoon and head up ?

Whats everyones thoughts ?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on August 27, 2009: sounds good
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 27, 2009: I'm good for Sat/Sun too. We could meet lunchtimeish at Meelmore Lodge and blow up Bernagh, then back down to Hares Gap to camp.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 27, 2009: Sounds like a plan just hope it suits the others.

By the way do we have a list of who's goin ?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 27, 2009: I think
* Jonno
* Chris
* Billy Backpack
* 666_pack
* Ulsterwalker
* MG1

Anyone I've forgotten post away.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 27, 2009: I think MG1 is coming too.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 28, 2009: Spoke with MG1 this morning sat/sun is good for both off us. ;D

Since we will be there so early I'm sure we'll be able to to more than just Bernagh.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 28, 2009: But I have to agree with backpack and it gives me an excuse to get the wind round my new tent. But keeping within the spirit of the light weight challange I will be shaviin off as much weight as possible.

Is anyone else game for a bit off a dander on the sunday.

I was thinking we could walk the Brady pad getting up Commedagh and headin back to the hares gap the long way.

Any takers.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on August 28, 2009: I'm def going got the go ahead for an over nighter. I'm up for any route ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 28, 2009: I think having a few tents with us might not be a bad idea.
This is the forcasted rainfall for sat afternoon.

(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090828/06/204/ukprec.png)

but sun looks ok.

(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090828/06/216/ukprec.png)

(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090828/06/228/ukprec.png)
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 28, 2009: there seems to be a lot of rain coming in of the Atlantic.

(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090828/06/192/6hrprecip.png)
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on August 28, 2009: If it didn't rain there'd be something wrong
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on August 28, 2009: How about sat Berneagh,Meelmore and Meelbeg.
Sunday-Brandy pad,Commedagh,Corragh and Knaglock(i can't spell)
What you think guys? Its hard getting time in the hills so i think we should do as many as possible when we can.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on August 28, 2009: as always mate i'm up for anything, I'll stay as long as I can however I dont have my shifts for work yet but I'll make it fit! theres a few there I havnt summited so its all good. What about working the route round to the possible plane wreckage? as you say its hard to get time in the hills so we migt aswell tick that off too if your up for it.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 28, 2009: Quote from: MG1 on August 28, 2009
How about sat Berneagh,Meelmore and Meelbeg.
Sunday-Brandy pad,Commedagh,Corragh and Knaglock(i can't spell)
What you think guys? Its hard getting time in the hills so i think we should do as many as possible when we can.

Bloody hell, I'm supposed to be easing into this gently. I was thinking Bernagh and bit of a rest!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on August 28, 2009: That route was just a suggestion i'm up for anything. whatever the group decided's i'm easy. Jonno the best way to ease into it is to keep walking till you drop you have to push yourself to better yourself.
Commedagh to the Hares gap is a piece of piss anyway once you come off commedagh its pretty flat till the down hill off Knaglock
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 28, 2009: Yeah I totally agree if MG1 can do it anyone can :P
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 28, 2009: Quote from: jonno on August 28, 2009
Quote from: MG1 on August 28, 2009
How about sat Berneagh,Meelmore and Meelbeg.
Sunday-Brandy pad,Commedagh,Corragh and Knaglock(i can't spell)
What you think guys? Its hard getting time in the hills so i think we should do as many as possible when we can.

Bloody hell, I'm supposed to be easing into this gently. I was thinking Bernagh and bit of a rest!

Plenty off time for rest when your dead.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 28, 2009: It's doing it carrying enough for an overnighter that worries me :-[
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on August 28, 2009: Exactly if i can do it so can you you. :P
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on August 28, 2009: What do yous think about camping on the summit of Berneagh. theres plenty of shelter up there camp close to the tors?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 28, 2009: yeah ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on August 28, 2009: Quote from: MG1 on August 28, 2009
What do yous think about camping on the summit of Berneagh. theres plenty of shelter up there camp close to the tors?

Definitley! I've always wanted to sleep on a summit and bernagh's pretty well suited to it! Got the old coke can stove goin there so my cook set is weighing in at a hefty 55g (excluding meths).
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 28, 2009: Oh boy that weight is going to be hard to beat although do you think it's going meet all your needs or are you bringing a back up ?
I can see your really going for 1st place what other weight saving have you been at ?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on August 28, 2009: lol I'm only messing around. The coke can stove thing is just something I wanted to have a go at, other than that its business as usuall kit wise. I'll maybe strip away a few luxuries tho perhaps only 2 coats for this trip!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 28, 2009: I'm workin real hard at minimal kit but as usual things just keep jumping into the bag under the term "maybe i'll need this"
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on August 29, 2009: bit of bad news chaps, I'm working untill 7 on sat night so depending on my sunday shift I'll come down after work and meet you chaps on top of bernagh. You Get the coffee ready and i'll take an offy order!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 30, 2009: bummer dude ;D
Bit better late than never ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 31, 2009: not long to go now guys! hope your all as stoked as me about this trip. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: weather update
Post by: 666_pack on August 31, 2009: Sat morning/afternoon are lookin good lads.

(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090831/00/132/ukprec.png)

Sat night/ sun morning look like perfect conditions ofor a summit camp.......Clear skies all night long. But this will mean a drop in temp.
(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090831/00/144/ukwind.png)
Windspeed looks like a calm night
(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090831/00/144/ukmintemp.png)
And pretty mild too
(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090831/00/144/ukprec.png) ;D ;D ;D ;D

If the weather holds out this is looking very good ;D

I'll try and keep an eye out .

although looks like rain for sunday.

(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090831/00/153/ukprec.png)
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: Hunter on August 31, 2009: Boys dont forget to post when u's get back and let us know how u's got on (wish i was going with u's) be careful and enjoy!!!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 31, 2009: alright Dee I'm sure jonno will get some pics posted as soon as we get back. Looks like it'll be good craic.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 31, 2009: Lets start getting organised. Post your kitlist.

My initial is:
Sleeping bag
Self inflating mat (or rollmat depending on weight)
Pro Action Hike Lite Tent
Jetboil
Wayferer ready to eat nosh
FAK
Spoon
Change of clothes
Fleece
Waterproof troos
Headtorch

What size/type of rucksack is everyone bringing? I don't have one just the right size so I'll need a new one.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 31, 2009: My kit is still in the planning phase but i usually bring the same stuff

two man tent(split between me & MG1
sleeping bag
kip mat
trangia mini
500ml fuel
spoon
rations/snacks
head torch
hat
micro fleece
thermals for sleeping in(possible)
3ltr water
map/compass/pencil
waterproofs
change of socks
few glow stick
(I might slip the bivvi bag in if its clear i'll sleep under the stars)

Think thats it. I might be able to get it in my 40ltr pack but if not I have a 60ltr pack that should do the trick.

How much water were you planning on taking jonno?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 31, 2009: Is there anywhere around Hares Gap / Bernagh to get water?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 31, 2009: not really, but you always came across something even just to use as cooking water and save you supply.
If were really stuck I always have some puri tabs.

if we are heading off on Sunday to have a look for the plane wreck there should be some flowing on the brandy pad to stock up again. But I think 3ltrs should be plenty. A good way to save on water consumption is to pack a small empty bottle to recycle cooking water.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 31, 2009: and as always something nice to sip over and watch the stars. ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on August 31, 2009: Have we all agreed on the camp on the summit or is this still open?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 31, 2009: seems to be good to go.

Can we have a show off hands for a summit camp on Bernagh ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on August 31, 2009: I'm in ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 31, 2009: I'm not sure about camping on the top of Bernagh - I'm not confident on my level of fitness to make it that far carrying full gear for an overnight and I'm having some worrying knee pain just from doing the likes of Cave Hill. Bearing in mind I've only even been in the Mournes about 5 times in the last 20 years I don't want to push it too hard too soon :D

I'm game to camp at Hares Gap and walk up Bernagh or just come for the day and do Bernagh but I think I'd rather be cautious at this point. That said, we don't all have to do the same thing!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 31, 2009: ah jonno I think your selling yourself short on this one. Anybody who can summit Slieve Donard in the middle of the night after a sigg of wine will have no bother with this.

Best thing to do is to play it by ear. Anythink could happen between now and sat. Although now the weather and conditions seem perfect (for once) on the day it could be a differnt story.

Bernagh isn't that tough off a nut to crack there is only really 150 odd meter of proper hill to climb.
As for a camp spot the huge torrs will offer plenty off shelter.

You now you want to :P
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 31, 2009: some inspiration

(http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:6WaPa9cFx0x3RM:http://mountainviews.ie/mv/_serverdata/pix/picmtn_ct-00083-17.jpg)

(http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:4I5vsFONnR5AvM:http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3059/2970837701_1fb39df12b.jpg%3Fv%3D0)

This is a view form a wild camp on Bernagh
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2615/3721815376_cbcd050cd4.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3439/3721815400_ba77185bd7.jpg)
not my photos
That's gonna get me through to the weekend.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on August 31, 2009: Jonno you can do it. The first time i saw Berneagh it scared the shit out of me. It put an end to our Mourne wall attempt, i went back with 666_pack a few months later and knocked it off. Was raging at myself for punking out at the sight of it cause its not that hard. You made it to the Hares gap before you can do it.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 31, 2009: Will see how it goes later in the week. My knees feel pretty screwed at the moment, I think it might be foolhardy to get too carried away.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on August 31, 2009: never fear there's a mountain rescue station at the base off the trassey ::)

just kidding.

At the end off the day jonno it's up too you but I really think you should give it a shot. Theres a ration pack lemon sponge in it for you. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on August 31, 2009: All you can do is try it if it gets to much we can camp somewhere else.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on August 31, 2009: Can anyone recommend a rucksack? I'm guessing that 50L or so would suffice but I don't want to be spending too much. The only other thing I have is a Cobra 75 and it seems a bit large.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on August 31, 2009: Bollocks! couldn't get sunday off... but i'm to tempted to miss a summit camp! so I'll have to bomb it down after work on sat then bomb it back for sunday afternoon! looks like there'll be no trapse about the mournes for me on sunday morning!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on August 31, 2009: Oh and jonno mate dont sweat it about bernagh, the 1st time I went up was last years mmm with all that kit on my back and a good few k's under my feet! We didnt know its name at that stage, just called her "The Bitch" But seriously what 666pack said if you can do donard you can do this! I'll meet you up there!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on August 31, 2009: As ever........ cruisin with the gang so whatever suits I'm in... :)

Must say 6-pack awsome pics, they have really got me stoked I'm lookin forward to this one !

As regards pack size I'm determined to keep it small so a 40ltr with the following :

tent
sleeping bag
self infalting mat (3/4 lightweight)
fleece
set of baselayers
spare socks
MSR pocket rocket and fuel (to inc cooking pot and lighting implement)
cup and spork
waterproofs
hat and gloves
small fak
headtorch
relevant sustenance
2 ltrs water
map and compass
a small tipple ;)
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: Hunter on September 01, 2009: Boys just looking over your kit lists no1 has listed a KNIFE,ORANGE SURVIVAL/BIVI BAG (JUST INCASE )WALKIE TALKIES INCASE YOUS GET SPLIT UP OR A PHONE or am i just thinking the worst.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on September 01, 2009: Quote from: dee666 on September 01, 2009
Boys just looking over your kit lists no1 has listed a KNIFE,ORANGE SURVIVAL/BIVI BAG (JUST INCASE )WALKIE TALKIES INCASE YOUS GET SPLIT UP OR A PHONE or am i just thinking the worst.

I would guess most will have phones, who dosen't these days, and I'll prob have a bivi bag stuffed in some corner and as for knives I've aquired some moras for the lads that I'll be bringing to distribute.

The kit lists are probably not that comprehensive and I would say from the posts regarding suggested routes if none of us are posting on the forum by Tues evening I'm sure someone will notify mountain rescue and advise where we had gone ;).... lol
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on September 01, 2009: Quote from: dee666 on September 01, 2009
Boys just looking over your kit lists no1 has listed a KNIFE,ORANGE SURVIVAL/BIVI BAG (JUST INCASE )WALKIE TALKIES INCASE YOUS GET SPLIT UP OR A PHONE or am i just thinking the worst.

not to worry Dee, I always have a bivvi bag at the bottom off my pack and as always there is safety in numbers.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on September 01, 2009: so Jonno,
how are the knees holding out? Have the lads words of motivation and encouragement fallen on deaf ears?

As regards pack size I can fit all my kit into a light weight 40ltr pack but I really don't trust its construction (3kg of water rolloing about in there). I could us my issue bergen but that bugger must weigh 3Kg empty. So last night I loaded up 65Ltr and its looking like I'll have to go with it (after spending £80 on a tent i really can't justify a new pack when I have one that is fit for purpose), but my kit list has not changed more space does not = more kit.

Hi Andy,
Those pics have got me really stoked about this If I can even get thta view for 5 mins then it'll see me right to next summer.

good man chris see u at the summit.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on September 01, 2009: Quote from: 666_pack on September 01, 2009
so Jonno,
how are the knees holding out? Have the lads words of motivation and encouragement fallen on deaf ears?

As regards pack size I can fit all my kit into a light weight 40ltr pack but I really don't trust its construction (3kg of water rolloing about in there). I could us my issue bergen but that bugger must weigh 3Kg empty. So last night I loaded up 65Ltr and its looking like I'll have to go with it (after spending £80 on a tent i really can't justify a new pack when I have one that is fit for purpose), but my kit list has not changed more space does not = more kit.

Hi Andy,
Those pics have got me really stoked about this If I can even get thta view for 5 mins then it'll see me right to next summer.

good man chris see u at the summit.

I'm in the same boat. Can't really justify more spending at the moment but as it turns out the 75L Cobra is actually same as or lighter than the Berghaus Freeflow 30+8 so I think I'll just take it. Like you said, more space doesn't always equal more weight so I think it will be fine. It's a comfy enough ruck for being 15 years old :D

Knees-wise, they're giving me gyp but I can't work out how serious it is and can't see the medicine man before next Sat so I'll play it by ear. They click alot and feel crampy but not really sore - might just be age or overdoing it these last few weeks. Don't know what to do tbh but I'm definitely not going to push it incase I do any damage!

I think we should all get into this topic on water carrying. Will be key to the weekend too!
http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=463.0
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: Hunter on September 01, 2009: Glad 2 hear that lads cause i wana c sum photos wen u's get back.
Title: weather update
Post by: 666_pack on September 01, 2009: Sat still looking clear. There looks to be plenty off rain up till sat so there should be alot of run off the hills. Should help with water supplies

(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090901/06/102/ukprec.png)

(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090901/06/105/ukprec.png)

(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090901/06/114/ukprec.png)

Looks like the rain is still on the way for Sun, but we might avoid it till the afternoon

(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090901/06/129/ukprec.png)

So the conditions for the summit camp are still lookin positive.

Light wind
(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090901/06/114/ukwind.png)

min temp looks like a mild night
(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090901/06/114/ukmintemp.png)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on September 01, 2009: and here is the storm risk for sat night

(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090901/06/117/ukstormrisk.png)

all good ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on September 01, 2009: Happy dayz ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on September 01, 2009: Maybe we should reconsider the bivvy idea that kicked this all off
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on September 01, 2009: but everything is going our way it like the hills are inviting us in. :-\

This will be soooo much more fun than a camp at the hares gap. ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on September 01, 2009: Guys the more i look at those pictures it would be a shame,if the weathers with us we're not camped on the top with that view.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on September 01, 2009: ii agree if were at the hares gap sat lookin at each other and the weather is perfect we'll be kicking ourselves for not takin the chance >:(
Title: weather update
Post by: 666_pack on September 02, 2009: still looks good but we will get wet on Sunday

might have a few showers to keep us cool on the wey up
(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090902/06/78/ukprec.png)

still lookin clear for sat
(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090902/06/81/ukprec.png)

(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090902/06/90/ukprec.png)

Sunday might be wet ???
(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090902/06/99/ukprec.png)

but thats why we buy waterproofs ::)

Storm risk for camp is still low

(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090902/06/93/ukstormrisk.png)

and a good chance the tents will get a bit off a rattle
(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090902/06/93/ukwind.png)

the plot thickens
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on September 02, 2009: Green rain is the best type 8)
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on September 02, 2009: Bring it on lads. Do we have any final numbers or location for camp sorted out yet?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on September 02, 2009: Quote from: MG1 on September 02, 2009
Bring it on lads. Do we have any final numbers or location for camp sorted out yet?

This is the list as I know it:

Jonno
666_Pack
MG1
Billy_Backpack
Ulsterwalker (haven't heard from him for a while)
Chris_8674 is trying to come up late / leave early because of work commitments.

Location wise. As far as I can read it, if we can make it to the top of Bernagh then we'll stay there, if not, Hares Gap.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on September 02, 2009: Sounds good to me it'll be good to spend some time on top of berneagh trying to get on top of some of those tors.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on September 02, 2009: wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ;D
I LOVE IT WHEN A PLAN COMES TOGETHER
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on September 02, 2009: Quote from: jonno on September 02, 2009
Green rain is the best type 8)

LOL ;D ;D

"Location wise. As far as I can read it, if we can make it to the top of Bernagh then we'll stay there, if not, Hares Gap".

to quote yoda "Do or do not... there is NO try"
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on September 02, 2009: it'll be myself and a mate of mine I've convinced to come! (mmm partner)
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on September 03, 2009: This is Bernagh taken from Slievenaglogh. Looks awesome.

[smg id=125]
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on September 03, 2009: she surely is jonno and if you think she looks step from the front have a looks a the back desent

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/18624015.jpg) :o

a cracking picture of her tors in winter
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/1521797.jpg) :o

how is the packing going jonno?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on September 03, 2009: That looks awesome. How does the Hares Gap side compare to Donard for difficulty?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on September 03, 2009: It's much eaiser and not as drawn out. I mean once you reach the hares gap you 2/3 the way up. I think she's steeper but over a smaller distance. ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on September 03, 2009: jonno you can have first pick for tent pitch ;D

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/4925670.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on September 03, 2009: Not much flat ground there!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on September 03, 2009: as long as you sleep with you feet pointing down you should be o.k.
Title: weather update
Post by: 666_pack on September 03, 2009: Alright guys
Still looking like a wet start
(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090903/06/54/ukprec.png)

but all is still well for the rest off the day & camp ;D
(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090903/06/69/ukprec.png)

still mild
(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090903/06/69/ukmintemp.png)

still looking pretty calm
(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090903/06/69/ukwind.png)

(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090903/06/69/ukstormrisk.png)

Still looking a wet start on Sunday
(http://cirrus.netweather.tv/gfsimages/gfs.20090903/06/51/ukprec.png)

happy trails ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on September 03, 2009: So planning wise I recommend we meet at 1pm on Sat in the coffee shop at Meelmore Lodge (Link (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=meelmore+lodge&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.009394,39.506836&ie=UTF8&ll=54.204625,-5.967979&spn=0.092773,0.308647&t=h&z=12)) (http://www.meelmorelodge.co.uk). They have secure parking from £4 (plus an "additional" fee for overnight - not sure how much) and there's a route from there to the Trassey. From there we'll walk to Hares Gap then hopefully on to the top of Bernagh to camp.

Sound ok?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: 666_pack on September 03, 2009: sounds good to me. ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on September 03, 2009: Happy dayz ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: ulsterwalker on September 03, 2009: Haven't been on here for a bit, but I'm still defo up for meeting up with everyone on Sat night!

Everything is gonna be very last minute (as it always is for me), but I'm maybe looking at heading down tomo eve and having a short dander, camping up (maybe listen to some erasure? ;) (sp?)) and then tenting somewhere, then a days walk, possibly over the route of some of last years MMM and then meet up with y'all on Bernagh.

edited to ask what time y'all think you'll be camping up for?

Hopefully by the time I get there the only pitch left won't be in a subsiding swamp :-\

I might have someone else to join the party, but we'll see what happens on that front.

Whats the plan for Sunday, and is it still lightweight season or are people giving in to carryin a couple tins with them? I don't want to be carrying beer for 2 nights if I'm gonna be the only alco there ::)
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: ulsterwalker on September 03, 2009: Well Friday has just been scrapped due to laziness, but will be trying to get a full days walking in on the sat and then meeting up on bernagh for the ggroup wild camp ;D
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: billy backpack on September 03, 2009: Whats the plan for Sunday, and is it still lightweight season or are people giving in to carryin a couple tins with them? I don't want to be carrying beer for 2 nights if I'm gonna be the only alco there ::)
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Let's not start the lightweight debate again :D
I think everyone is suffering from the old "small-pack-size-too-much-to-fit-in-not-enough-lightweight-gear-itis"
and as for being the only alco, well you can be sure everyone will have some sort of tipple.....whether its tinies or hard stuff................. I would say given everyone is oversubscribed pack issues the tipple will be small and strong :-X
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on September 04, 2009: So it's:

Meeting at Meelmore Lodge:
Me
Billy_Backpack
666_Pack
MG1

Meeting on Bernagh:
Chris_8764+1
Ulsterwalker+1

Seems like a good sized group!!

So final plan, all that are meeting at Meelmore Lodge be in the coffee shop at 1pm. All that are meeting on Bernagh, we should be there say 4ish? You'll be looking for 2 Hike Lite Pros and a Tadpole but chances are it wont be that busy :D (Might want to keep an eye on Hares Gap too incase we don't decide to camp on Bernagh)

I'm quite excited about this now. Excited but bloody nervous too 8) ::)
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on September 04, 2009: lol I dont finish work untill 7!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: NeilB on September 04, 2009: Guys im gutted im missing this, bloody wedding i cant get out of going to!!

but take loads of pictures and get them online

have fun guys

Neil
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: MG1 on September 04, 2009: Going by Accu weather its looking good for Sunday but a bit of rain on the Saturday nite.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: Pete on September 04, 2009: Hi Guys

I'm chris' plus one, which sounds quite weird I have to admit!
Just thought I'd post for the first time and say I can't wait for saturday night!

O and can anyone tell me which side the bernagh slabs is on; is it the hares gap side or the steeper one- I can't remember?
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: RedLeader on September 04, 2009: Quote from: Pete on September 04, 2009
Hi Guys

I'm chris' plus one, which sounds quite weird I have to admit!
Just thought I'd post for the first time and say I can't wait for saturday night!

O and can anyone tell me which side the bernagh slabs is on; is it the hares gap side or the steeper one- I can't remember?

Welcome Pete, looking forward to meeting you.
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: chris on September 05, 2009: dont get too excited... he's ginger!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
Post by: Pete on September 05, 2009: I like to think of it as more of a african sunset!

Chris is just jealous that he hasn't hiked at altitude!
Title: Re: Lightweight Bivvying Overnighter at Hares Gap
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