Northern Ireland Outdoors Forum - Hiking, camping and more
General => Meets, places, trips and reviews => Topic started by: MG1 on January 26, 2010
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Guys might as well start the planning now who s up for this?
How about an evening boat on a Friday travelling to Fort william/Glencoe area getting base camp set up for an early start on the Saturday Morning. Spending the Saturday on the Mountain and expolring the area around it. Camp again on the Saturday nite and get a Boat home on Sunday afternoon.
Summary
For experienced, fit walkers who do not mind easy scrambling but are not climbers, this is the finest way to climb Ben Nevis. This is a truly spectacular route incorporating two Munros. It will live long in the memory and does true justice to the mountain.
Terrain
Good mountain paths for the approach and descent. The climb up Carn Mor Dearg is pathless and extremely steep and tiring, whereas the traverse of the arete is an easy but long, airy and dramatic scramble.
Distance
19km/11.75 miles
Time
10 - 12 hours
Ascent
1625m
Summits climbed
Munroes-Carn Mor Dearg, Ben Nevis
Definites
MG1
666_pack
billy backpack
chris
Neilb
Kendogbaggio
fatty-arbuckle
If i have left anyone out please shout! This is an open invite to everyone!! ;D
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me me me me me me me me me me.
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Guys might as well start the planning now who s up for this?
Was thinking it but didn't want to say it but yep I'M IN we need less talk and more action :P
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Count me in!
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When are you guys thinking of going
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It's a cracking route! The boulders on the far side are a thigh killer though ;D Best done when there is no ice left unless you have crampons.
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"You don't need crampons to walk on ice!" ;D
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You bloody well do on the CMD arete! ;D
(A few days after I did it they found the body of someone who had fallen off earlier in the season)
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"You don't need crampons to walk on ice!" ;D
lol just sure footing mate ;D
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When are you guys thinking of going
It'll not be for a few months yet mate, just get the ball rolling now so we can get it booked.
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You bloody well do on the CMD arete! ;D
(A few days after I did it they found the body of someone who had fallen off earlier in the season)
They were my famous last words on donard as I stepped on to Ice and fell flat on my face!
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yep chris took one for the team avd found out that yes ice is slippery ::)
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:D I wondered what the quote marks were about - I figured I was missing something!
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Could i turn your attention to this thread started many moons ago... there was a good few of us up for CMD back then
http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=571.0
Regards,
Dave
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right ben nevis then, think we could get a good squad together here for it
i need to start getting mountain fit again
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What month suits most people for this trip we should try and get it arranged and booked asap.
Was also thinking, not everyone has to go via the CMD a group could take the tourist path or tackle another hill. What do you s think?
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Sometime in May maybe, what do rest of u guys think
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Sometime in May maybe, what do rest of u guys think
Sounds ok . I think we should maybe try to arrange an informal meet to discuss the logistics etc as to try and organise as a group on the forum could be difficult. If there were enough we could rent a mini bus and go as one as was mentioned on a previous thread. Are we considering say going on a Friday then home on a Sunday or something longer?
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Would it be cheaper to all book on the ferry as foot passangers and pick a mini bus up at the other side or just take a mini bus from here?
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I'm unlikely to be going on this with you (unless I get round to doing the WHW this year and it just happens to be the same weekend that I get to Fort Bill), but depending on how many people go check out the ferry-and-rail deals and the ferry-and-bus too - it used to be that you could get to Fort William pretty cheap that way.
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depending on price it might be cheaper to fly! could be a fun exercise in lightweight camping getting your gear into a hand lugage sized ruck!
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depending on price it might be cheaper to fly! could be a fun exercise in lightweight camping getting your gear into a hand lugage sized ruck!
You'd need to set aside a few hours to get through security - between the gas cannisters and assortment of sporks you'll all look like international terrorists :D
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good point. You'd def have to pick your gas up at the other end.
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but depending on how many people go check out the ferry-and-rail deals and the ferry-and-bus too - it used to be that you could get to Fort William pretty cheap that way
The Ferry & Bus deals (http://www.stenaline.co.uk/ferry/coach/stranraer-belfast/) seem to be about the cheapest way of travelling, and its dead easy to book through the Stena Line website. Only downside is that it takes a crazy amount of time to get from Belfast - Fort Bill when you factor in the ferry and bus journey. That said, I'm someone who quite likes travelling by bus/rail so dont mind watching the scenery passing me by :) I priced a few different options for doing the WHW, and I'm going to get the Ferry/Bus from Belfast to Glasgow to get to the start, then Bus/Ferry from Fort Bill back to Belfast at the end. Think it works out around £40-50 and no restrictions on luggage etc. so its hard to beat IMO.
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but depending on how many people go check out the ferry-and-rail deals and the ferry-and-bus too - it used to be that you could get to Fort William pretty cheap that way
The Ferry & Bus deals (http://www.stenaline.co.uk/ferry/coach/stranraer-belfast/) seem to be about the cheapest way of travelling, and its dead easy to book through the Stena Line website. Only downside is that it takes a crazy amount of time to get from Belfast - Fort Bill when you factor in the ferry and bus journey. That said, I'm someone who quite likes travelling by bus/rail so dont mind watching the scenery passing me by :) I priced a few different options for doing the WHW, and I'm going to get the Ferry/Bus from Belfast to Glasgow to get to the start, then Bus/Ferry from Fort Bill back to Belfast at the end. Think it works out around £40-50 and no restrictions on luggage etc. so its hard to beat IMO.
But them your fate is totally in the hands of public transport. I like the idea of hiring a mini bus at our end.....depending on numbers I really don't think it will cost that much.
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I agree with 666, don't like the idea of being reliant on public transport. If there is enough people wanting to go then mini bus would work out cheap as any with the advantage of us being able to come and go as we please.
On a side note I have mini bus licence through work so we have a driver for said bus if needed
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But them your fate is totally in the hands of public transport. I like the idea of hiring a mini bus at our end.....depending on numbers I really don't think it will cost that much.
You have a fair point there :) Well if there was enough people to fill a mini-bus its bound to be a cheaper option any way? After all, if 10 people were going to take public transport that would be around £400 any way. More than enough I'm sure for mini-bus hire, ferry tickets and fuel? And as Neil says you then have the flexibility to travel to your own schedule.
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You can pick up a 12/15 seater transit minibus at prestwick airport (10mins from troon) for £285 and the ferry from larne is £48 each rtn as a foot passenger. Do the maths it would be cheap as feck :)
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At those prices there should be no shortage of peeps for this trip then :D
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You can pick up a 12/15 seater transit minibus at prestwick airport (10mins from troon) for £285 and the ferry from larne is £48 each rtn as a foot passenger. Do the maths it would be cheap as feck :)
Just ran the prices through both P&O and Stena there out of interest. If you went for a weekend in May it would work out as follows:
P&O Larne to Troon return
8ppl & minibus - £468
8ppl foot - £432
Stena Line Belfast to Stranraer return
8ppl & minibus £458
8ppl foot - £400
So looks like it would definately be cheaper to go on foot and rent in Scotland. Mind you, for the convenience of not having to get a vehicle on the other side it only works out at £7.25 extra each.
No idea why I'm even pricing this though, I wouldnt be able to go in May :P Am dying to do the CMD but dont know if it will be this year...
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you know you want to.
Seems good i don't mind paying an extra 8 quid.
Lets stand up and be counted.
who's in final list
666_pack
(cut and paste list and add name to bottom)
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666_pack
chris_8764
(cut and paste list and add name to bottom)
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666_pack
chris_8764
billy backpack
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666_pack
chris_8764
billy backpack
NeilB
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666_pack
chris_8764
billy backpack
NeilB
MG1
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Guys i think we would be better paying that bit extra and getting the boat to Troon rather than Stranraer, it'll shorten the time spent on the road.
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5 people so far ......... Anyone else up for it ?
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Guys i think we would be better paying that bit extra and getting the boat to Troon rather than Stranraer, it'll shorten the time spent on the road.
Was the boat to Troon not stopped years ago?
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J are you going as I can't see your name on the list :(
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J are you going as I can't see your name on the list :(
I'm still pondering.
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The only pondering you should be doing is on a pond in your canoe ....... get your name down you know it makes sense :D
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Guys i think we would be better paying that bit extra and getting the boat to Troon rather than Stranraer, it'll shorten the time spent on the road.
Was the boat to Troon not stopped years ago?
No mate its a seasonal crossing now.
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Guys check this out. I thought we were taking the hard way up :o :o :o :o
http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/news/article/mps/uan/3609 (http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/news/article/mps/uan/3609)
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I think should just give this a miss as we don't have enough time to do it ;) :D
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Thats diff one for the future, theres no way i would try that without the proper training. But i still wanna do it at some point. Has any one on here tried it?
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You know you s want to ;D ;D
(http://www.trekkingbritain.com/080506-bennevisviathecmdarete/20080506P-TheFullCarnMorDeargOrCMDAreteRidgeToBenNevis.JPG)
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Some info
Our route
The start is the visitors centre car park (grid ref. NN124731) reached by following the signs for Glen Nevis from Fort William). From the car park cross the bridge over the river Nevis at the north end of the car park, turn right and follow a signposted path which leads to the track that starts at Achintee farm. Walk uphill on the track which is hard to get lost on, it’s by far the most travelled path on the mountain. The grade isn't too taxing initially, but it starts to steepen and zigzag after a kilometre or so. It's worth taking it easy on this initial section and conserving your energy for what follows. The path climbs in a steep curve above Red Burn before easing off at the saddle holding Lochan Meall an t-Suidhe.
Lochan Meall an t-Suidhe is often dubbed 'the halfway Lochan' and marks the spot where the track splits. Where the path turns sharp right to start climbing again, take the left fork to head northwards (grid ref. NN147724) and follow it, keeping on the right-hand part when the track splits again after a few hundred metres, basically staying on the higher path. Follow the path round into the corrie as it tracks beneath the cliffs with the Allt a’ Mhuilinn river down to your left, pass the 'luncheon boulder' on the left and continue as it climbs up to the CIC Hut- visible long before you get to it thanks to its wind generator.
From the CIC Hut (grid ref. NN167723), you can now take a direct line in an easterly direction up the bouldery flank of Carn Mor Dearg. There are the odd scratchings of lines of travel now and again, but broadly speaking this is very steep and sometimes loose ground that demands caution. Aim to join the ridge a couple of hundred metres north of Carn Mor Dearg's summit, and be very careful not to continue too far east: there are steep drops off the east of this ridge. This ridge is fairly well travelled with fantastic views to the east of Aonach Mor and Aonach Beag, and a short walk along it in a southerly direction should bring you to the top of Carn Mor Dearg -Scotland's ninth highest mountain.
From the summit of Carn Mor Dearg (grid ref NN178721), to begin its namesake arête you need to drop SSW down a rocky crest which soon levels into a bouldery ridge. High winds are a problem here, so be very careful. Technically, the arête barely merits scrambling Grade 1, slung high above Coire Leis in a slightly bowing slack-line, gently climbing to a pointy apex. After this it shifts direction slightly to SW and climbs towards the shoulder of The Ben, rough blocks of granite give good grip and the few exposed places can be easily circumvented on faint traversing paths.
Once on the final, bouldery ascent, stay well to the left of some marker poles on your right hand side to avoid the cliffs. There is no clear path up the boulder field and the summit arrives suddenly as the slope eases off. A cluster of cairns appears and then the trig point can be seen on top of a large well built cairn.
The summit of Ben Nevis (grid ref. NN166712) can be confusing and dangerous, due to featureless terrain and the presence of several sheer gullies on both sides of the plateau. If the weather is good you can easily follow the path and a line of cairns that pass close to the edge of the gullies on your right and follow this down to the zigzags. However, if visibility is very bad and particularly if there's snow on the ground, from the trig point walk 150m on a bearing of 231° grid to safely skirt Gardyloo Gully. You then need to turn to a bearing of 282° grid, which you need to follow carefully for over a kilometre, until you are sure you are safely established on the Pony Track, paying close attention to the almost invisible threat of Five Finger Gully to the left as well as the hazards to the right. The Pony Track then zigzags down the west flank, crossing the ford at Red Burn and soon you will find yourself at the junction where you left the Pony Track. From here, retrace your earlier steps back to the car park.
(http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/news/images/cmdmap.jpg)
Navigation on Ben Nevis (this will be our route off the hill)
http://www.mountaineering-scotland.org.uk/leaflets/nevis.html
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looking good, I can't wait for this now!
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ok guys if there no more takers for this trip then I'll put a cap on the list.
the final list is
MG1
BillyBackpack
666_pack
Chris_8764
NeilB.
Now all we need is a date and we can get this sucker booked.
I'll start the bidding with 28 - 29 - 30 May
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Those dates seem reasonable to me (let's see what the others think) there's enough time to plan around work, family and other commitments
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Yeah thats pleanty of time to get sorted (and fit!).
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also since we'll be away for two nights I take it we are planning on camping them?
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Oh Yessssss........ I think the plan was to go Friday, set camp then do the deed on Saturday ....... come home on Sunday. :D
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How bout the 21nd to 23rd?
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on second thought stain those dates would be better as I'll be working at the TT First week of June 8)
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this our route last may
http://tarmachan.blogspot.com/2009/05/ben-nevis-cmd-arete.html
:o
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Holy shit! Time to think about the kit. :o
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hmmmm.... Crampons?
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Looks like it.
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maybe May is a wee bit early.
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I'm happy enough for may guys. What about kit lists?
May u think to early 666?
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I'm happy enough with May.
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yeah may is fine, on the other hand I dont have money for crampons and new boots! I was looking at those pics and they dont seem to be wearing any... Maybe those spikes you can put over anything would do?
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don't know just hadn't thought about snow. Having done a bit more research it seem that may is still considered winter. And have no real winter climbing experience(crampon & ice axe use) it kind of threw me.
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def dont wanna have to buy new boots crampons and ice axe. I think you can hire them in fortt william but whats the piont if you can't ues them.
just something to think about. Is it worth traveling that far only to have to turn back because we are underprepared?
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I don't mind guys, to be honest I have no real ice climbing exp either.
But if u want to put it back a month or 2
I don't mind
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hopefully that wont be the case Just a bit more research to keep my mind at ease....It would be a real kick in the balls to get there and have to turn back..
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Come on guy's calm down even if we get there and we consider it beyond us there's still plenty to do (however I think it will all turn out ok and remember it's hardly costing the earth to go ... so chin's up and keep smilin :D)
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I couldn't see us needing Ice axes! Crampons would be the worst case scenario but if you can rent them there then thats sweet, I'm sure we'd be able to figure out how to use them! As I said those pics were of a group and proper "pay them" Guide and I couldn't see any crampons or ice axes....
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Is there any one on the Forum who has experience with crampons and could talk us through the basics?
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Is there room for one more!?!
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Should be. There was talk of a mini bus and only 5 bodies confirmed, so I'm assuming we've a few seats to spare?
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Sorry I'll not be able to go on this trip (95% certain). I bailed up Ben Nevis the 1st week in May at the end of the WHW last year. It was just from the Glen Nevis valley. Only took 2.5 hrs up, but there was snow the last 200 vertical metres and 10ft visibility. It was perfectly walkable in our boots with the odd harmless slip as it transitioned back to rock. Navigation was the important part - there are some pretty dangerous cliffs near the summit, and although there were plenty of cairns leading the way on our route, we couldn't see them until we were at them.
With the extra snow this year, I would fully expect there to still be a significant amount in May (beware of overhanging cornices on ridge). This awesome route you propose is clearly less way-marked and involving a scramble, so being prepared for extra traction may be advised. Saying that, an ice-axe is the first port of call because you need it to self-arrest if you slide off down a big slope. You can also slash steps with it.
Why not drop an email to the MCoS (Mountaineering Council of Scotland) to ask about advice, or where you can get some. A guide for the day may not be that expensive if split between you.
Below is some basic crampon info. I can also recommend the BMC Winter Essentials DVD (more so the appendix bits than the 'story section', but it's all good). You may all want to get together some evening and give it a watch.
Re: Crampon information.
Types
Crampons come in 3 grades (C1, C2, C3) that correspond to boots (B1, B2, B3).
C1 are typically 10 point/teeth crampons with some flex for walking, C2 are stiffer for mountaineering (often 12 points), and C3 are solid for ice climbing (usually 14 points).
Most walking boots don't really have the recesses at the toe and heel to take crampons, and are too flexible; but there are C1 crampons that are usable with a decent boot (ie, not a flexi, light summer trekking boot).
Use
First keep the points covered when not in use - they are very sharp and should stay that way. Keeping them in their bag will also stop the rubber stoppers coming off and tearing up your gear in your pack.
Put them on before you need them, when the ground is level or you can clear a flat spot to set down your pack and put them on. Clear built up snow from your sole, and tighten the straps up well (check them after 5 mins).
They are for use on hard packed snow and ice, where the teeth give you grip. Thus to get the most grip, you want all the teeth in contact with the ground. Regarding walking in crampons you often the term "flat-footing" - which is pretty explanatory. So work on your ankle flex if you plan on using them on slopes.
You have to walk with your legs 'slightly' wider apart and be careful not to stab your legs or slash your gaiters.
Hope that all helps.
Craig
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Is there room for one more!?!
Should be. There was talk of a mini bus and only 5 bodies confirmed, so I'm assuming we've a few seats to spare?
I'm sure there is..... anyone is more than welcome to jump in on this or any trip we organise (the more the merrier) , the issue in the short term is the economics. We're working on trip cost's and previously with 5 going we all fitted in one vehicle so boat fare included it was very cheap yet once you book a mini bus and more peeps the cost soars, however if we can encourage more body's we could obviously bring the price down, The other option is 2 vehicles which to be fair I haven't checked yet (but will now).
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Ok so just checked some prices and it seems 2 vehicles (cars) seems to be more economic for 6 people, but I think if we can get 1 or 2 more people we are within the original price range.
But obviously this is a group decision so what does everyone think.
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What ferry is that with Billy?
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The more the better,if we're bringing a second car would it be better to fill it? there s bound to be another 2 or 3 people o here who would give it ago.
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What ferry is that with Billy?
I checked p+0 Irish Sea (express to Troon)
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Yeah same here works out at 64 notes each for 5 in a car. Stenaline was a few notes dearer plus stranraer is a good bit further south than troon. £64 sounds like a fair price for a rtn ferry to me and the 135 mile drive is just under 3 hrs so that would get you in fortwilliam for 22.30/23.00 ish on the late crossing... maybe a bit too late so getting an earlier ferry might be something to consider. Anyways i think this might be a good excuse for a face to face in a real niwild boozer some night with the def peeps goin to get stuff sorted.
Example dates i looked into...
The price of your tickets will be
318.00GBP
Booking Details
Outward Route: Larne to Troon
Outward Date/Time: Fri 11 June 2010 at 1730
Outward Arrival: Fri 11 June 2010 at 1930
Outward Ship: Express
Return Route: Troon to Larne
Return Date/Time: Sun 13 June 2010 at 2020
Return Arrival: Sun 13 June 2010 at 2220
Return Ship: Express
Passengers: 5 adults
Method of Travel: Car
Outward Accommodation: (None)
Return Accommodation: (None)
Cost: 318.00GBP
Fare Type: EXTRA SPECIAL:ECONOMY
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Sounds good kendog are up for The Ben?
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I agree we really need a meet, the earlier ferry leaving at 7.15am seems reeeeeaaaally early but would prob be better to get there and sorted. The price starts to go up to around £90 with an extra car +1 or £80 with extra car +2.
It will all depend on the group decision and obviously our thoughts on committing to booking it given we won't really know the mountain conditions untill closer to the time.
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Sounds good kendog are up for The Ben?
Certainly am, its been on my 'to do' list for many years but never had the chance to get it properly organised till in met you fine people! :P
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Sounds good kendog are up for The Ben?
Certainly am, its been on my 'to do' list for many years but never had the chance to get it properly organised till in met you fine people! :P
This looks good so we can say that there are now potentially 7 on for the trip
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Sounds good kendog are up for The Ben?
Certainly am, its been on my 'to do' list for many years but never had the chance to get it properly organised till in met you fine people! :P
Happy dayz we're building this trip up rightly. 8)
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Is the mini bus scraped then? How much was it going to cost us to hire one, or does taking a mini bus not only cost money in itself but also hike the price of the boat up? Sorry if thats not "worded" very well! I agree though we def need to meet asap, get names, and get it booked!
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where suits to meet? Billybackpack has mentioned a few places central to everyone, Kendog were you based?
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After a few PM's the consensus seems to be The Old Ballyrobin Inn at Aldergrove suits the majority so all we need to sort is a day/night and time.
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where suits to meet? Billybackpack has mentioned a few places central to everyone, Kendog were you based?
Randalstown mate 15mins away
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where suits to meet? Billybackpack has mentioned a few places central to everyone, Kendog were you based?
Randalstown mate 15mins away
Happy dayz its handy for everyone then
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I'll kick off with Sat 27th Feb for a meet what's everyone think (do we need to do it earlier)
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Saturdays aren't good for me i work every Saturday nite. And i've have the child with me till lisa finishs work at 1500.
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Is the mini bus scraped then? How much was it going to cost us to hire one, or does taking a mini bus not only cost money in itself but also hike the price of the boat up? Sorry if thats not "worded" very well! I agree though we def need to meet asap, get names, and get it booked!
Just looked up the minibus thing and hiring one wouldnt work moneywise. To make the trip economically viable in a minibus would take 14 people filling all the spaces on it. A minibus with 9 people on it (max you can book online) is £518 with P&O and minibus hire alone is at the least £280. It would be great to have one tho just for the space for kit etc but it would be at a cost of about £90-£110 per person (based on 9 people)
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i don't mind taking my car i ve a bigish boot and could take a least 5 bags with kit.
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Jeees, didnt think that having a minbus would be the expensive option!
I dont mind driving - however i've a skoda fabia so itll be a real tight squeeze
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Guys what about meeting up on Tuesday nite to iron the details of the trip?
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Tues night should be fine by me. What time are you thinking of ?
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About Half seven?
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Sounds achievable so we'll see what the rest of the team think :)
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is tues night set? Iplay football on tues nights, not serious enough that I can't miss it but If a different night suited that would be great!
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What bout Monday?
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Tuesday suits :)
Chris doesnt really play football - he's the guy that comes out with the oranges at half time ;D
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Thought that myself mate :D
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Tuesday suits :)
Chris doesnt really play football - he's the guy that comes out with the oranges at half time ;D
Its an Important roll!
I'm actually the brick wall defender or awesome rockin keeper dependin on who turns up! Tues night it is then ;D
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cool.
Can we assume then that all who go on tues are the the dead set final list then and we can get this thing booked.
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cool.
Can we assume then that all who go on tues are the the dead set final list then and we can get this thing booked.
Sounds fair.
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just had this reply of OM
It is really a bit early to say what the conditions on the arete will be like in May. Normally May would be a good month to climb as the snow should be clear of the ridge and the climb up onto Ben Nevis. However you should be aware that snow used to lie in the northern corries all year round, not so much the last few years though. However this year winter has been rather harsh since December with loads of snow and it is likely to continue. Also in April we normally get a big dump of snow. I would wait till April before making any final decision and then give yourself several days up in Fort William so that you can select a good weather window to make the ascent. There are escape routes which you should make yourself aware of.
May might still be to early ???
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Is this meet going ahead on tues? Haven't heard from kendog or Neilb.
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I will be there dude as long as work doesnt snare me for overtime
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Good man.
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I'll be there mate as long as that neil swine gives me a lift!
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Happy dayz thats everyone then. ;D
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http://visit-fortwilliam.co.uk/the-ben-nevis-webcam-fort-william-scotland (http://visit-fortwilliam.co.uk/the-ben-nevis-webcam-fort-william-scotland)
Found a link for a web cam at Ben Nevis. It says it covers the CMD Arete. Not sure if you'd ever be able to see anything on it but it might show something interesting.
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see you guys tonight :D
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(http://www.gmodules.com/ig/proxy?max_age=604800&url=http%3A%2F%2Fs0.geograph.org.uk%2Fphotos%2F06%2F23%2F062388_a8dd7b28.jpg)
Is this the place?
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Think so mate
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Yep that's the place ... will see you all later ;D
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I'm in ballyrobin now. On the iPhone
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I had a quick look at the ferry prices on ferry savers and it works out cheaper just to have everyone in cars.
Larne-troon 21st May @0715 Car and Three adults £238
Same boat with four adults £278
£516/7 works out at £73.70 each.
If we got one more to fill that last space it would be work out at £69 each and If only six go then £79 each.
With two drivers and 4 foot passangers it was workin out at £86 each
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You beat me to it ... lol
Anyhow I arrived at the same figures and I think it works out better for the team to travel together.
The price difference when you break down the numbers in the group are pretty negligible so it all looks good , now I just need to speak to a "friend" to see if we can make any more savings.
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out of interest regarding the price I just had a wee look on ebay at the crampons and ice axes,
(http://img.player.com.ua/photos/m01.cramp.jpg)
I think I'd rather wear nothing than these! They look like their made from mechano!
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"In reply to paddi-8764:
This is what Ben Nevis looked like on the 11th of May last year:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aVaiRaXbnAc/SgiQ2PaYi4I/AAAAAAAAANA/aNIhWZcDMQk/s1600-h/Picture+35.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aVaiRaXbnAc/SgiQ2PaYi4I/AAAAAAAAANA/aNIhWZcDMQk/s1600-h/Picture+35.jpg)
Of course, there's no guarantee it will be similar this time round, but I wouldn't even consider doing any of the steeper routes on the Ben in May without at least an ice axe. When we did Tower Ridge in June, we needed an ice axe to cut steps up a couple of short sections."
Posted on UKC, a few other posted pics as well going back to 2008 and its pretty much the same. Pretty much everyone says we'll be able to do it but an ice axe might be sensible! If I can find one a a good price I think I'd consider a walking axe even if its just to cut steps in the snow or something. Plus lets face it your gonna look cool no matter what with an axe in your hand!
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I can't wait 8) ;D
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I can't wait 8) ;D
I know its gonna be awesome! Funny about the ice axe, Just after I posted that a guy put a post up on ukc selling his walking axe for £30 so I sent him a pm
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well done I'll have to keep my eye out now.
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some info.
Think may is looking better and better
http://scottishwinterroutes.com/cmdarete.htm
http://www.summitpost.org/route/387429/Carn-Mor-Dearg-Ar-te.html
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how about these instead of crampons?
(http://www.outdoorwarehouse.co.uk/filestore/shop/product/image/spikes-prod.jpg)
http://www.outdoorwarehouse.co.uk/index.cfm?action=shop.detail&pid=DDC2CD88-FF29-08BD-48EA8C02A3D2B051&cid=4874C569-FF29-08BD-4848DF3FCA272E84&bid=&order=priceHigh&parent=&page=1
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Are you thinking for trail shoes or boots?
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I was looking at those but apparantly they are rubbish and even dangerous if you use them instead of crampons. I think they are more for people whose job has them on flat icy conditions, working a ski lift or something.
These are supposed to be a lot better for what we would need
(http://www.outdoorgb.com/pi/Camp/quattro_1411_00.jpg)
They are "instep crampons" And probably not much more expensive than the chains, These ones were £38.77. There are a few makes so I'm sure you could find them at a good price.
Thats just what I've read though, so fell free to ignore it!
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you can rent ice axes in fort william ;D
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Are you going to rent one stain?
Where do you rent them?
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i'm looking into it but it seems a pretty common thing to do. I'll post details when I find out more.
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arete last sat.
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8918/benny13.jpg)
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there are a line of cairns to aid navigation of the summit ;D
(http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af190/munroist/LineofCarins.jpg)
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£5 a day for the axe
http://www.ellis-brigham.com/fort-william.htm (http://www.ellis-brigham.com/fort-william.htm)
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Dude that looks awesome.
I can't wait to get there
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I wanna go right now !!!!!!
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and the summit push off the arete is not as steep as a thought ;D
(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt2/mjenneson/cmd7.jpg)
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666-pack from that picture I think those are the conditions you had expected ::)
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yeah but needs must ;D
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True ................. It'll be alright we can just deal with whatever when we get over there :o
Must top up on all insurance policies before I leave.... lol
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I prefer it with the snow makes it look harder :D
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just buy a parachute ;D
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I'd like to go on the Ben Nevis trip, you could put my name down.....
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I'd like to go on the Ben Nevis trip, you could put my name down.....
looks like that may be the last spot in the second car filled. Why ont say hello in the intro's section mike, let us know who you are!
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found this
(http://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/fortwilliam/profiles/carnmordeargarete.GIF)
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The tough bit seems to be summiting CMD itself, assuming it is the first (rather steep looking!) hump on that diagram. The Arete itself looks rather nice :)
Jealous...
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yeah that first bugger is CMD alright ;D Fun Fun Fun.
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so men what about a meet to get this paid?
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Yeah agree we need to get this sorted what about the training day does Sunday the 21st suit? We could either head to the Mournes or just go to a climbing wall. What do you s think?
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Just as an update - it's looking good that I might be able to make this to do the tourist route. I have family in the land of the picts that are keen to come down for a tramp.
So if anyone else fancies the easy way let me know and we'll see what we can organise.
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I didn't realise their would be mountain climbing involved, and as I've never done it, I think I'd have to opt for the easy route for now....
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it's only a grade 1 scramble and there are no mountaineers in our group but jonno seems to gettin together a rabble to hit the tourist path so looks like your well in one way or the other 8)
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Yeah agree we need to get this sorted what about the training day does Sunday the 21st suit? We could either head to the Mournes or just go to a climbing wall. What do you s think?
We'll need to get it booked and payed as soon as, Not trying to be harsh but the longer we let people sit around the yes camp but not actually in it the more confusing it gets as regard to transport. will we need a third car now?
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Probably best if you guys sort yourselves rather than holding off. Sooner you book it the cheaper it will be. I might start a second thread linked to this one for the tourist route so we don't confuse the issue.
Yeah agree we need to get this sorted what about the training day does Sunday the 21st suit? We could either head to the Mournes or just go to a climbing wall. What do you s think?
We'll need to get it booked and payed as soon as, Not trying to be harsh but the longer we let people sit around the yes camp but not actually in it the more confusing it gets as regard to transport. will we need a third car now?
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is there grade 1 scrambles in the mournes that anyone could recommend? I fancy giving one a go!
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is there grade 1 scrambles in the mournes that anyone could recommend? I fancy giving one a go!
To be honest mate i'm not really sure of what a grade one scramble equals to but i know you don't need a rope.(unless its winter) I think ???
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To be honest mate i'm not really sure of what a grade one scramble equals to but i know you don't need a rope.(unless its winter) I think
either am I mate. I'd like to give one a go though, sounds like fun!
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A grade one scramble is classed as some steps may be hard, route finding will be easy and you may have to use your hands. lol sounds like every walk! Try the devils coach road on beg Andy, stick to the left hand side and you'll be fine.
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I don't even know if the Arete would be as challenging as the Devils Coach Road? From what I've read it just has a few rocky steps that might require the use of your hands to get up and over, but its a far cry from climbing. Also, I think the exposure if minimal, so you aren't going to be falling into an abyss or anything. And even the parts that require a bit of hand work I think can be avoided if I've heard correct as well.
That said, I haven't done the CMD Arete so couldn't confirm any of that, its just what I've read in guide books and online. I'm dying to do the Arete as well because I did the Mountain Track/Tourist Path last year but felt it was a bit... overpopulated and uninspiring! In complete contrast the CMD Arete is meant to be like a mini Alpine adventure. But I can't see me being able to go in May so might have to wait until Summer at the earliest :(
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A grade one scramble is classed as some steps may be hard, route finding will be easy and you may have to use your hands. lol sounds like every walk! Try the devils coach road on beg Andy, stick to the left hand side and you'll be fine.
The Devils coachroad is class the only problem is its not long enough. Once you get to the top you'll want to go back down and do it again 8)
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we could organise a day at the great gully. looks like it has huge potential.
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I'm up for that it looked really good. I think that book Chris has on climbs list a few in it.
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we could organise a day at the great gully. looks like it has huge potential.
yeah i'd be up for that! sounds good! ;D
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I'm going to start another thread for the tourist trail so there's no confusion. It's here:
http://www.ni-wild.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=911.0
Probably best if you guys sort yourselves rather than holding off. Sooner you book it the cheaper it will be. I might start a second thread linked to this one for the tourist route so we don't confuse the issue.
Yeah agree we need to get this sorted what about the training day does Sunday the 21st suit? We could either head to the Mournes or just go to a climbing wall. What do you s think?
We'll need to get it booked and payed as soon as, Not trying to be harsh but the longer we let people sit around the yes camp but not actually in it the more confusing it gets as regard to transport. will we need a third car now?
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Right guys we need to get this sorted. CUT OFF POINT IS NEXT FRIDAY If any one else wants to go speak up!
Definites for the CMD Arete
MG1
666_pack
billybackpack
chris
Fartyarbuckle
Neilb
MikeD
This is an open invite but we need to get it booked. So get your fingers out!
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I can go, and I can go up the inspiring route :P as it doesn't sound too strenuous.
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Good man
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(http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/chirstopher/Ben%20Nevis%20March%202010/21.jpg)
Arete conditions 09 Mar 2010
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I can't wait ;D
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Guys tomorrow is the cut off for the Ben Nevis trip so if you haven't put your name down this is the last chance.
Definites
MG1
666_pack
Billybackpack
chris
Fatty-arbuckle
J
Neilb
MikeD
Any one else?
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Rights guys we waited long enough.
Final numbers.
MG1
666_pack
Billybackpack
Chris
J
Fatty-arbuckle
NeilB
MikeD
What do you s think about meeting up at the end of the month with the cash for the trip?
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Suits me
Rights guys we waited long enough.
Final numbers.
MG1
666_pack
Billybackpack
Chris
J
Fatty-arbuckle
NeilB
MikeD
What do you s think about meeting up at the end of the month with the cash for the trip?
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thats fine
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time to put your money where your mouth is fellas we need to meet and get this paid and booked .
when suits?
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Any time suits me chaps. I'm really lookin forward to this now!
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Kinda anytime suits me, but, do we know yet, what the cost is going to be, or is that dependent on who actually turns up on the night to pay....
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seems like the crossing wont be anymore than £70. Might be less.
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Pretty much any time suits me too
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Right guys were and when?
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same place as before dude
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Aye, suits me fine.
Its still under the 100 squid mark - is that right?
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same place as before dude
That'll do what date?
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Could you let me know where the place is plz - as I wasn't there before - wouldn't want to go to the wrong place !
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What about today week, so friday 2nd April, how does that suit everyone, last time we meet at ballyrobin inn near airport
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seems good
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That would be Easter Friday
What about today week, so friday 2nd April, how does that suit everyone, last time we meet at ballyrobin inn near airport
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Not a good day for me, as I should be on my way to somewhere for a mini-break.....
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How about the following friday?the 9th?
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suits me
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yeah I'm cool with that.
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Should be fine for me too
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and me
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(http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/members/images/7595/gallery/IMG_0006_0.jpg)
Summit of the ben! Looks awesome, They put up new cairns at about 2m high but apparanlty you can't see them for the snow.
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With all this snow the past couple of days, does anyone know what the conditions are like on ben at the min
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Is every one still ok for Friday nite?
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I'm still good for Friday no probs, how much cash do we bring gareth or does someone want the money sent by paypal etc?
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I think cash mate. As far as i know the price is £80 pp.
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Can we confirm Fridays meet at the same place with a time that suits all (say 7.30pm for starters).
All comments welcome !
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i'm good with that.
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I'm good with that also
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If I can't be there in person I'll make sure the money is ;D
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Sorry guys, I can't make this now. Really disappointed, sorry for any inconvenience caused. :-[
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I'll be there too guys@7.30ish
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Sorry guys, I can't make this now. Really disappointed, sorry for any inconvenience caused. :-[
Thats shit mate your going to miss a crackin trip
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Sorry guys, I can't make this now. Really disappointed, sorry for any inconvenience caused. :-[
But you'll miss this!!!!
(http://tarmachan-mountaineering.org.uk/s/cc_images/cache_1546334102.png?t=1268603102)
are you still on for the Mourne wall?
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Update
Andy has been to the ferry terminal to check prices which are as follows:
Leaving NI 715am Friday 21th May, departing Scotland 2020 Sunday 23th May
Car + 3 passengers : £258
Car + 4 passengers : £298
Total : £556
Assuming 7 people then it's £80 per person
However, like on an airline, these prices can change.
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Yes, still on for the Mourne Wall and also planning to bring a friend too. Got work booked off etc...
I'm gutted about missing our on the Arete, my reasons are complicated to go into, but, just those dates now, I can no longer do.
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See you s at 7.30
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See you s at 7.30
me too. oh and mines a stout ;) Chris if you bring that net with you i'll square you up as well.
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no probs see you later.
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got this off Munromagic.com
http://www.munromagic.com/RouteInfo.cfm?RouteID=183
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And this it seems that you have to do Aonach beg First
http://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/maps/map4_12fw.shtml
Aonach Mor & Aonach Beag Route
The route starts off at the car park at the head of the Glen Nevis road where in the summer months parking is at a mjor premium so get there fast. Take the footpath into Glen Nevis proper an excellent area and one which is used frequently for the Mamores. This walk down through the glen lasts about 40 minutes passing the Steall bridge and Steall Falls. Once you reach Steall Ruin it is your que to take to the hill, so head north falling the path going to the Carn Mor Dearg bealach. Its quite a steep climb but enjoyable due to the views of the Mamores. After about 50 minutes of climbing the path levels out a bit as you continue to follow the stream right up to the bealach. Looking up is brilliant as you see people walking along the arête. Once you reach the bealach the extremely steep slopes of Aonach Mor are the last obstacle. A Line of fence posts show your route up on a very eroded scree-ish path a tough climb and very dangerous if someone is walking behind you i dislodged 2 boulders accidentally and thankfully no one was behind. you gain the last bit of height very quickly and after about 20 minutes you attain the summit plateau where its now just a short stroll to the summit. the views of the Grey Corries really open up. Take in the views of of The Big Yin and and the next part of the walk Aonach Beag, before you head back to the bealach. Its a steep climb up the craggy slopes of Aonach Beag were you eventually top out right on the summit. The cliffs on the eastern side of the summit are huge and you would have a pretty sore knapper if you stepped off there. The descent takes you down the south west ridge passing a few other tops on route. Once you reach the final part of the shoulder that drops you back into Glen Nevis the path can become very boggy. keep following the path right along the shoulder and follow the stream back down to Steall Ruin where you walk back along Glen Nevis back to the car park
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Thi thread on scottish hills is also worth a read as this guy has the same plan as us.
http://www.scottishhills.com/html/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7077&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=aonach+beg&start=0
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(http://www.stevenfallon.co.uk/maps/nevis.jpg)
we might as well just do this ::)
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How come Ben Nevis got such an ordinary name when the mountains around seem to have been named by someone so drunk they couldn't speak properly :D
(http://www.stevenfallon.co.uk/maps/nevis.jpg)
we might as well just do this ::)
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http://www.ellis-brigham.com/cgi-bin/psProdDet.cgi?prod_code_in=274215
something to consider, what do u think guys
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looks good neil
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This was the Arete on Easter
http://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.html?id=141424 (http://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.html?id=141424)
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nice ;D
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bloody hell that looks the part, i cant wait to get over there, did we ever reach a decision about ice axes
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It seems that we can hire very thing we need when we get there
http://www.ellis-brigham.com/fort-william.htm (http://www.ellis-brigham.com/fort-william.htm)
Works out £36 for 2 days hire of all gear we need.
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Today on the ben
http://blog.westcoast-mountainguides.co.uk/?cat=13
Not sure if this has been posted but it gives daily photos of route on ben nevis(not ours at the min) and gives a good indication of conditions
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Well guys any kit lists ready for the Ben?
Just so i know how much room i have for Buckfast. ;D
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Guys, can you PM me your real names so I can send the route card and pax list off to lochaber MR.
Although it would be amusing to see what they make of our forum names.........
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No worries mate.
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Okay guy's we need to meet at mine on Friday morning around 6.00 am as we have to be down approx 1hr before the boat leaves.
It would seem that if all goes according to plan we will be off the Ben on Saturday afternoon and as the return ferry is 8.20pm on Sunday we may have some time to kill ..... any suggestions ?
Is another mountain possible :o or climbing/scrambling :P even a big shopping spree in Ellis Brigham 8)
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Hehehe... the thought of NI-Wilder's having to meet up on time to catch a boat... thats never gonna work ;D
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I'll have to get up at 4.00am it'll be tight. that'll be harder than Ben Nevis.
I vote mountain climbing/scrambling
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We could hit the town....
Or the Ice factor, has indoor ice climbing and I believe it is one of the few places that you can place gear whilst climbing indoors.
Or
http://www.ukclimbing.com/logbook/crag.php?id=807
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The Ice Factor looks really good, there seems to be plenty of facilities and things to do.
I gave them a quick call to suss out costs etc, I was told if the group was competent enough we could sign ourselves in for £9.00 each and use the wall or if we wanted to book an ice climbing session its £35.00 each or £55.00 for 2 sessions (though we would have to book before we go)
They hire everything you need and theres a sauna for a bit of relaxation afterwards 8)
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The Ice factor sounds like the place to go. Is that two hours for £55? plus £9 for ice axes and crampons etc.
The rock clmbing seems like a better deal all round £9 and a pair of shoes for you guys and you can climb and boulder all day. Plus it'd prob be of more use to you guys for when you hit the ozone as you'd have a little knowledge of knots, belaying etc so you can get stuck in from week 1.
The wall seems awsome aswell it's even set up for multi pitches!
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I think the fee included instruction but not crampons, axes etc ...... although its another £55 to spend for around 2hrs as opposed to £9 for whatever time we can afford before going to the boat.
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Yeah £9 for the whole day seems like a lot better value than £55 plus I think its £20 for each hour after that!
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Yeah the climbing wall sounds good to me.
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So are you guys all packed and ready to go? What are your gear lists like.
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I'm not that organised i'll pack on thursday nite.
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I'm not that organised i'll pack on thursday nite.
same here.
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The weather seems to be half decent at the min, just some light showers.
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here's a trip report form the 5th may. Looks good.
http://www.scottishhills.com/html/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7967
And the ridge looks pretty clear. Glad I never bought those ice axes now
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/EwenMc/10-05-0510CarnMorDeargBenNevis.jpg)
8)
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yeah that looks fine. It'll still be nice to have an axe tho. Take it we're not going to bother roping up then.
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I found a pick of the ridge that we will have to climb to get us onto Carn Mor Dear for Aonach Mor.
(http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/fortwilliam/aonach/images/cmd2.jpg)
You see the arete behind and the the Ben Behind that.
I can't wait. ;D
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Looks good stain. We should be sitting looking at that by friday afternoon.
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Hope so.
I was a bit worried about some of the nav between ridges but once we drop down to the col for camp there only one way up to the arete. Will you pick up the wine?
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How many? I've got us a communial case of Ben Nevis ale. 8)
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i'll leave that in your expert hands stain ;)
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Not a problem. Were did you get that pic?
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here
www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/fortwilliam/aonach
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Guys if we are thinking bout staying in a hostel on the Saturday this looks good.
http://www.outdoorcapital.co.uk/member-display.asp?id=262 (http://www.outdoorcapital.co.uk/member-display.asp?id=262)
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Here s some pics of Aonach Mor and Aonach Beag. You can see the ridge leading to CMD and were we're planning on camping.
http://stigvista.co.uk/pa/walks/scotland/aonach/aonach.htm (http://stigvista.co.uk/pa/walks/scotland/aonach/aonach.htm)
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Here s some pics of Aonach Mor and Aonach Beag. You can see the ridge leading to CMD and were we're planning on camping.
http://stigvista.co.uk/pa/walks/scotland/aonach/aonach.htm (http://stigvista.co.uk/pa/walks/scotland/aonach/aonach.htm)
I think this bit in the middle might be our camp site
(http://stigvista.co.uk/pa/walks/scotland/aonach/aonach_13.jpg)
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Where's the shower block? ::)
Here s some pics of Aonach Mor and Aonach Beag. You can see the ridge leading to CMD and were we're planning on camping.
http://stigvista.co.uk/pa/walks/scotland/aonach/aonach.htm (http://stigvista.co.uk/pa/walks/scotland/aonach/aonach.htm)
I think this bit in the middle might be our camp site
(http://stigvista.co.uk/pa/walks/scotland/aonach/aonach_13.jpg)
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Where's the shower block? ::)
Andy'll prob bring it. ;D
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Good luck on your trip guys :-)
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Where's the shower block? ::)
Andy'll prob bring it. ;D
or at least build one when we get there ;)
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bit excited now.
Me and MG1 are sharing my tadpole whats everyone elses sleeping arrangments?
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All the best for this guys, hope you have a great weekend and looking forward to hearing all about it when you get back!
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bit excited now.
Me and MG1 are sharing my tadpole whats everyone elses sleeping arrangments?
Pro action, I'm surprised you even had to ask!
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Enjoy guys. Hope it goes well - keep me posted!
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right lads thats me all squared away and ready to go see you at stupid o'clock!
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I was speaking to the lads. They're driving and about 90 minutes from their starting point. Everyone managed to get themselves out of bed and onto the ferry.
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Everyone managed to get themselves out of bed and onto the ferry.
Wonders will never cease ;)
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JOB DONE ! :P
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Well done guys!! You got such fab weather 4 it!! Can't wait to hear all about it!!
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Anyone got any piccies. Sounds like between the hiking and clubbing it was an awesome trip :D
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Well done lads!! looking forward to the pics.
I dont think you could have wished for any better weather!! nice one 8)
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great trip and all went to plan. Legs are a bit tight today but that could just be from throwing shapes ;D
If anyone else has any desire to knock the Ben off there list the arete is the only route worth taking IMHO. We only walked down the tourist trail and it one of the most boring paths I've ever been on.